I believe that you don't know about Glomdoring Politics...

Hey, look at that, I'm right! Who'da thunk it?

Okay, I really don't like Shayle. I really don't like Xenthos. But they're really right here.

Glomdoring has put some serious effort into diplomacy with Serenwilde, and just gets gut punched for it.



No. Please. Get started on Exarius. You got accusations to make against me, you can bloody well make them, not just make some cheap, transparent attempt to link me with some anonymous strawman.

Going to announce to the world that I'm cheating and conning people? You give names and you give instances. Back it up, back off, or get issued, because this is just the most purile form of character assassination.

I believe there's plenty of room in Lusternia for rogues. Rogues have many freedoms that orgs do not, role-play wise. They are not tied down by history and forced to do and say one thing. For example, if you're in Celest, you must be anti-Taint. There is no "if", "and", or "but" about it. I wish there was a neutral org, though, one not tied down to biggotry and grudges.

Am I the only one who remembers that we effectively had a neutral organization at the beginning?

The admins may have always planned to introduce Glomdoring as an opposite to Serenwilde, but the game launched with two cities and one commune.

I looked at the documentation very carefully before starting the game and here’s an overly simplistic summary of what was presented:

Celest: Fighting for “good”
Magnagora: Fighting for “evil”
Serenwilde: Not involved.

THAT is the reason I was drawn to Serenwilde. Then, I joined and found a bunch of people who were isolationist in outlook and - for the most part - were happy to let the cities battle it out between themselves. Those who wanted to get involved could, but it was more a personal choice than a commune policy.

Everything started to go to Nil when Glomdoring came in. Not because there’s anything wrong with Glomdoring, but because there was no longer a place for those who – quite frankly – aren’t here for an epic battle between “good” and “evil”.

Since Glomdoring’s tained (i.e., evil within this framework), Serenwilde has to go to the extreme the other way.

The players knew this was expected, but just to drive the point home, the admins meddled and pushed and meddled and pushed until it was an absolute fact.

I disagree.

Before Glomdoring came around Serenwilde became anti Magnagora because of an event that led to tainted fae raining from the sky. The Magnagora Serenwilde war came before Glomdoring. Also fanatics in Moondancers who were very friendly with Celest (Merloch and co) Led the anti-taint thingies, banning their members from dealing with the tainted ever. Also with Ausaklis gone (Who didn't care what was tainted or not, just that it wasn't a city and so on) and Lady Lisaera's open hatred of the taint, there were few left to keep it from becomming so anti taint. There was trouble with keeping neutral far far before Glomdoring.

I disagree with your disagreement.

Yes, some of that was going on, but documentation still spelled out Serenwilde as THE place to go if you didn't want to get involved. That's sure why I chose it.

Yes, Lisaera pushed for anti-taint agression, but while Auseklis was there as a counterweight, he was pushing to ignore the affairs of the cities and look inward, to not give a whit whether we had even one village under our sway.

When we lost Auseklis, we lost the counterweight. When we gained Glomdoring, we gained a clear and present arch-rival, against whom first Lisaera then Charune set out divine teachings of antagonism, with the help of whoever was puppeting Mother Moon.

Since then, any players who dared to dissent with this antagonism handed down from on high have been slapped with impunity by those players who agreed with the mandates. They just have to say, "The divine have spoken!" and enough people fall into line that the rest don't matter.

Divines are all the players behind their inner ego battles (City vs. City vs. Commune vs. Commune) I love it.

Do you think Glomdoring or Charune would allow Wyrded individuals among his flock? Or maybe followers of Viravain deep inside the Serenwilde

That doesn't make sense. You are missing the entire war that Serenwilde fought with Magnagora. How is it the place you go when you do not want to get involved when you are fighting a war with Magnagora? Serenwilde was hugely anti-taint before Glomdoring, quickly losing its neutralness. Some people who joined as Viscanti were forced to undergo a cleansing process. You are missing the entire tainted fae event that turned the tide.

Glomdoring was not the event that brought Serenwilde into being "involved".

Serenwilde always stood for something. It just wasn't the same thing as either Celest or Magnagora. It wasn't something that required non-involvement; however it did leave room for it. "Neutral" means nothing -- Serenwilde just was on a different axis. Still is, as far as I can tell.

Glomdorings recent policy has been "Serenwilde must pay us reparations for the crimes of the past before we start listening." I know because the greater half of their leadership told me.

Now, if that's not their actual view.. well it doesn't matter, because that's what they keep telling Serenwilde members.

"your ancestors bullied us when our ancenstors were murdering fae, so now we want 200 lollipops as payment before we even consider opening talks with you."

While some in the serenwilde wish to see better relations with the glomdoring.. read, some (while Hart and Crow are still rabidly anti-each other, (at least in theory), Moon Vs. Night is just on a low simmer now ) none wish to bow down to the glomdoring and pay them for 'war crimes' of the past, back when, honestly, if they have changed, then need to prove to the serenwilde they've changed. In general, say: yes, you were killing us, which we didn't like, but we were murdering fae, which we now regret. Now, their general RP is "we forget anything we did in the past that might look bad about us in the future" That's fine.. but it's not conducive to Diplomacy. They're trying to set the stage for talks with odds heavily skewed in their favor. Understandable OOC revenge because amarusrim and co. maybe, but it's not the best diplomatic policy.

Glomdoring is in the -perfect- position to better relations permanently with the serenwilde -if- they want to. Instead they are seen to be supplying a rabid nation of zealots (something, remember, they hate in the former serenwilde) with the tools to hurt the currant serenwilde (someone they feel should be paying reparations to them).

It's an impossible situation, and it's up to glomdoring to do anything about it, they don't want to piss off celest... fine, they want serenwilde to grovel to them before they consider friendly relations... fine. It’s a great RP choice, but don't come on the forums and whine about their grand 'diplomacy' and say it’s currently the serenwilde’s fault that no inroads are being pursued. The ball is in glomdorings court, and they’re not using it, for many reasons of their own, which I honestly perfectly understand and might do myself in their position, if I was ever fool enough to run for leadership, which I doubt. Anywho, they don’t want to piss celest off, but if temporary peace with celest is more important to them then forming a communes Vs. all bond, then their players shouldn’t be blaming serenwilde players for the current standstill on the forums.

Wesmin,

You are wrong. You are 100% wrong. I don't know what Glomdoring leaders you are talking to, but nothing you've stated is true.

I don't care to correct you beyond that, because right now, I'm pretty fed up with a lot of things, Glomdoring being one of them.

Actually, I agree with him, except I haven't seen the whining on the forums. I may have been out of the loop for a few months, but I helped start Glomdoring, was in it for some time, and receive periodic status updates IC. *shrug*

I think a lot of people are fed up with Glomdoring, internally, and externally, but really, it's just one piece of the puzzle.

Agree with him or don't, either way, it doesn't make what he's posting any more true.

I only take issue with one thing Wesmin said and that was about the ball being in Glomdoring's court. In Lusternia, the ball is almost always in everyone's court as it were. Serenwilde could just as easily approach Glomdoring as Glomdoring can approach Serenwilde.

Yes you can find all kinds of very good reasons why Serenwilde/Glomdoring shouldn't. You will always be able to do that. If you always let those things hold you back though you'll stop being the one who acts and start being the one who is acted upon.

Wait, you're agreeing with the fact that Glomdoritos are whining constantly on the forums about it?

If you are happy for it to be here, very well.

You scammed a certain player by encouraging and approving their map making attempt, supporting their intent with full knowledge they were trying to emulate your style (while still keeping it distinctive enough to be their own creation). As I understand it, this included you personally approving partial and completed versions of the map before it was submitted, as the player in question wanted to make sure there was no copyright issue. When it was finished, you actually declared it a great effort and urged them to submit it.

Then, when Estarra noticed the similarities (giving you the benefit of the doubt), you suddenly 'forgot' that you'd been encouraging this attempt, and leapt at the chance to declare it a breach of copyright so that the player in question was treated as some kind of thief, when in reality they had had your assurances all along that you had no problem with it. You manipulated Estarra when the opportunity was presented, and it is my opinion (only) that you seem the type that would be all too happy to use any such opportunity or position to do so again.

I won't mention the player name because the results of this scam are still hurtful, and there's no need to punish the victim.

Didn't read past this point.... Ancestors???? Its the same people!

I tend to be overdramatic when talking about IC things in quotes. But, the leaderships have gone through multiple changes, people come and go, what % of glom back when glom was in it's first few months is still there? and what % of serenwilde? I bet it's small in both cases, either by guild hoping, people fading away, or what have you.

It was you.

@ Anarias: I agree with you, I did mention 'some in the wilde' in my post, but blaming the lack of diplomatic ties in glomdoring on all players but those from glomdoring isn't very accurate either, so I had to refute it with my last post.

Would they have instant happiness, no, but they would have more friendly relations, and isn't that what diplomacy is all about?



Way to hijack, and...

The only names in HELP SERENWILDE I don't recognize from the "old days" is Kelysa, Sivriel, and Anarias (in regards to being factors)

In HELP GLOMDORING the only people I see are Chandestri, Valarien and Marius. (and Valarien I think has the same point of view as people back then)

Its the same people. The only people who changed were Narsrim and Munsia that are of any importance.

Heh, I've managed to be close to or nearby all the important events but have rarely been directly involved. Well, in the past anyway.