Space. Just space.

Things are shaken up enough. Do you still nurture ideas that we don't know how frustrated you are? Do you still think that we aren't frustrated? That we weren't frustrated?

Here, news flash. That strike in the Blacktalon that we ended up not pursuing? The one that I brought up when you talked about player control of the orgs? We all realized, quite abruptly, that there was no player control in Glomdoring. We all realized that crushing poor Emar's ego to institute me as GM (again, an admin decision) was going to be a waste. I can't institute reforms against admin will. So...we left.

Thank you for this opportunity to actually play the game. Thank you for this opportunity to let the players take control at long last. Don't take it back from us less than 24 hours after we received it. We have a clean slate. We'll take it, if you let us.

I would like my character back, the way she was, before the "failed roleplay."

I like what you say here, though I'm not sure if the tone is good

Heck, pursuing my own plots and role-play is what I've been doing since I got here. And it's not the admins who try to discourage me, but the other players, many of whom will rant at me for not getting more involved in the overarching stories and nastily encourage me to leave for it.

Would be nice to hear an official statement I could point to next time someone tells me, "Play my way or get out!"

I would like Glomdoring to stay the same, but since it's not an option, I say go for Gloriana.

Also, I'm not sure that I like the new Viravain, given the brief info in the forums.

By the way, by "stay the same" I mean the old Viravain, not this snuggly pseudo-nympho version. You might want to clarify whether that's what the option actually means.

So far, none of the info on the forums has corosponded in any way to my experience in game.

Viravan reminds me more of how shikari used to be.

Please try not to derail every topic you post on into "me me me, and more about myself".


Now, here's what Glomdoring should do in my opinion:

Keep its RP, but make it more inviting. Restore Xenthos and Shayle to their former positions. I've received some examples of players being treated poorly in Glomdoring by their leaders (non-Divine, although most complains were on... yes, Viravain). So, these leaders should reflect on themselves and try to act in more sensible ways. Even Magnagora treats its novices and non-novices nicely.

As for Viravain - the person behind of her should create a new Divine, or maybe bring back Shikari, but the goddess IC should just... die. That would be extremely satisfying for most people whom she wronged, and there were many of them.

That's what i'm getting at.

Estarra, I know you're sorry.. but the steps you're trying to take to fix it are the wrong ones. The players know better in this situation, and I think that needs to be recognized. If Viravain would step out of the spot-light, you would see Glomdoring take a turn for the better. But you went, as usual, for the extreme approach, rather than pulling the reigns in on Viravain and just trying to see how the players would take advantage of it.

You might be surprised.

Its the likes of Shayle and Xenthos that made Glomdoring so great despite Viravain. Trust them. Give them a chance to fix it for you. They have the ability, if you'd just stop assuming they don't want Glomdoring to grow. Shayle and Xenthos and Xavius are so far from being the monsters you seem to think they are when you said they refused to change. What they refused was your extremism. Which is good for them. These sort of sweeping OOC actions are not going to fix anything. You're only going to hurt the players and the game itself.

Give the incredible players in Glomdoring a chance. That's the more a lot of us want.

That's news to me....

Why does your post keep popping up as unread?

If Estarra gave the Glomdoring people a list of requirements that must be followed, even if they contradicted a few elements of your established RP, would Shalye, the "X twins", Fallen, and others agree to that compromise if it meant Glomdoring would be self-governed?

I can't see it totally being handled by the players entirely, and I think the status quo will have to change, but would that be a reasonable compromise?

anytime someone votes on a poll it counts as a new post.

Clearly it is because of the conjunction of the planets Uthunk, and Batoo in the distance solar system of Kezo, and how they are lined up in the 5th house along with Venus, Saturn, and the distant planet of Inyep, in the solar system of Pjunko (pronounced Pe-yunk-o).

That would make sense!

To Fireweaver:

I'm slightly bothered by this thread, both by the sheer number of people saying Vira should just die and rot, along with the blatant gall some people have to spout such...

*breathes*

I'm going to be blunt.

Some of you have good points. You've made me think about things.

Some of you have no idea what you are talking about and have no business trying to decide the future of an org you know too little about.

I'm going to go to classes now, and thankfully be back in time this evening to take part in things.

I guess I'll simply see how things are then and there.

This is an excellent point. I hear some players say, "We can fix it, give us a chance! Just stay out of our way!" As admin, no we're not going to just "stay out of the way". We just have to be part of whatever change takes place. Understandably, players become possessive of "their" organizations and want to be left alone and feel they know what is best and how to fix things. However, the truth is that major player organizations are an integral part of the game and if they are failing, the admin will need to step in. It is irresponsible of us just to hope that players will sort things out.

That said, players can do a lot to convince us that we need minimal involvement. What doesn't work is accusing us of being extreme or that players can take care of things on their own if we just leave them alone or that we're destroying Glomdoring's unique RP or that we are forcing quantity over quality, etc. That simply makes us question whether what needs to change will change. If players convince us they understand what needs to change and why it needs to change, and are willing to work with us and not be obstructive, the less involved we will have to be.

Anyway, as it stands, nothing will be decided until after the meeting tonight.

This said meeting should allow everyone to speak their mind, just make use of it and make sure you have well thought-out points to raise.

Blaming won't do much good, many had their share of frustration with Glom, for one reason or another. Nothing was changed yet, things can still be re-astablished, just take the time to come up with a plan. I left Glom with -such- bitterness, it was insane. The reasons are unimportent, what -is- importent is to realize that things -were'nt- functioning as they should, and on levels that I think the leaders -could- have solved, even if they were -very- hindered in other matters.

Just a small example: a novice of guild A pats a novice of guild B. An official of guild B asks not to do that and makes a "cleaning" motion over the novice of his/her guild. When the novice of guild A jests and asks why and if he isn't clean, the leader remains silent, not answering- no, it wasn't due to afk.

Why is this scenerio taking place?! we're Glomdorites, we're anti-social? I think that such a thing should never have taken place. So yes, some things were out of your hands, but some things definately were within your control.

The post seems to imply that only Glom leaders are to attend..is that so?

For the major Glomdoring players, yes, not for the whole population.