So basically three Serens were raiding angels, and a war started? And these Serens weren't even leaders? That's kind of pathetic, for both sides. Most especially Celest's though. You could have made hell specifically for the three that were being , it would have been the more ethical choice. After all, if someone goes raiding villages, that person becomes enemied to the village/org the village is pledged to, but war doesn't combust. Since its not against any law in Serenwilde to not raid angels (or demons), its not technically up to Serenwilde to stop the raiders, since according to law, they aren't doing anything wrong.

From what I understand though, Celest has to abduct fae to get angels? Maybe that's why they were getting raided.

You're leaving out the important first step. Serenwilde demanded Celest outlaw raiding fae, and they did. Then, (notice the primacy) Celest demanded Serenwilde outlaw raiding angels.

Celest's response--peaceful!
Serenwilde's response--arrogant!

Meh, Ill just stop. Xavius, you are right. We are arrogant, if I were to continue Id be going into older events which I dont want to get into seeing as I dont remember them clear enough in my mind. Or I just wasnt there and can only go by the event posts and what propaganda Ive gotten from both sides.

Maybe Im only thinking on the propaganda.

From what I understand, they do that out of compliance with Glomdoring (not Serenwilde.) Maybe originally Serenwilde, but if they made a treaty with Glomdoring, stopping angel raiding (no matter how pointless angel raiding is) would earn no political advantage for Serenwilde, since it's asking Serenwilde to 'give up' something, and Celest to 'give up nothing.' (Though Celest still tries to abduct fae, and often influences them.)

I still think its pretty moronic on both sides. Cause three Serens (one was Kalodan? And he's kicked out now?) were selfish enough to raid, and Celest for being petty and indignant enough to wage war based on three. If it was me, I would have just made life hell for the three. I hear they're pretty hated anyways.

It's just a bunch of posturing that hurts the 'little people' on both sides.

Posturing my foot.

Do you believe that the reasons the US entered WWII were nuanced, and blame lies with both sides? Or, like most of the world, do you believe that Japan started it by bombing Pearl Harbor after they officially declared neutrality?

...at least Japan sucked it up and fought to the last man.

Saying "Celestian" in front of a fae isn't trying to abduct them. Just fyi.

And their current fae-policy is BECAUSE of the Serenwilde. They're still sticking to it out of respect for the Glomdoring, but it wouldn't even exist except for the original diplomatic efforts between Seren and Celest.

When you get nuked, you tend to fight to the last man wether you joined the fight or not. I believe the civilian casualties for the retalition of Pearl Harbor were astronomical. I do agree that the Japanese did start that fight though. The US joined each WW late, nearing the end of both, but I don't feel like getting into real world politics. They have nothing to do with IRE politics.

In a game, posturing makes war much more plausible, specially when you got powerhouses chomping at the bit to get some killing done. Real casualties don't happen in a game.

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When you get nuked, you tend to surrender so as not to get your civilians wiped out completely.

No one cares who started the war anymore.

Seriously, folks.

Well said.

Quoted for truth.

QFT

Except that Japan was nuked twice which would sort of suggest that you don't necessarily surrender after being nuked a single time

I said "tends to," and there was the fact that there was a VERY STRONG implication that the US would keep on doing it until Japan surrendered (they didn't know that we only had two). So yes, if you're trying to save civilians and you're being nuked, you will tend to surrender. History seems to confirm that.

Nope.


Nope again.

Shaeden had it most correct by pointing out that a war would have happened in any circumstance due to Celest's resentment of Serenwilde and Serenwilde's condescension towards Celest.

I'm more interested in what will happen after this war is over.

Meh, my Lusternian knowledge isn't accurate then. That's what happens when I learn most of the stuff on my own

No, its what happens when we all forget the original starting and dont care to keep a clear record of what happens.

Judging by the recently elected GMS (yourself, Daxera, and Kelly) it seems things are sliding towards more moderate, peaceful solutions (from what I've seen of all the GMs, that is. Don't know quite a few of them.) But Anarias is quite a loud, anti war gm, and Daxera and probably Kelly would prefer peace to war. I was right Serenwilde would suck* once Gregori got in power, and it did!

*Not because Gregori sucks, but because what he represents does.


*pet* You can learn on your own! You usually get the best results that way too, you just gotta read all the news and get in a leadership position where people sorta have to tell you about what is going on

Oh, and when the three people raiding contains Ixioin who can take on most your city single handedly... It is reason enough. There weren't like "Ixion killed 3 angels today," This was like Ixion killed 10 players, and 50 angels... Or at least it felt that way!

For the record, I wasn't even playing WHEN this war started. So, I'm allowed to think that this is a pretty lousy war without it being pointed out that it's Serenwilde's fault.