I heard Ixion was pretty good. I'm just happy he's on my side

Ixion is VERY good. My respect for him knows no bounds. Anyone who can cause that much chaos alone deserves props.

I save that respect for people who can cause that much chaos alone... but doesn't.

It's hardly skill on Ixion's part so much as weapons that can kill most of Celest in several strikes.

But whatevz.

Yeah, with those weapons and that much health, who really needs skill?

If you're saying Ixion lacks skill, I'm just going to stand here and go

Also - I've explained to several people, there are reasons other than arrogance as to why we didn't ban angels, some of which go back to the days of Auseklis.

But yeah, war wasn't exactly the most efficient response. If you wanted to get your way, there were better ways of going about it.

Although this war has had it's upsides. Like the departure of certain people

Ixion wins if he gets more than two combos every twenty seconds on me. Most warriors get more than two combos every twenty seconds on me. With sufficient preparation and the ability to get the first hit, I can keep him from getting lethal damage.

He does not lack skill. I would not count him as one of the most skillful though. I have fought warriors who easily have more skill, though they do not do as much damage and/or wounds. I've removed both of his arms from him before (just him and me fighting), causing him to run from Limbo with his remaining two limbs. There is no other fighter supposedly rated as top tier that I have done that to.

The Serenwilde leadership needs to learn how to keep their population in line. The Wilde is notorious for allowing their members a great deal of free will on much matters, which is fine, but they need to understand that not everyone is as loose as them and there will be consequences.

From an OOC perspective, I fail to see why everyone has such a problem with this war. I personally love the change in RP, since most of us were starting to forget that the Serenwilde and New Celest are not a single entity. It's built into the Serenwilde RP to be distrustful of cities, and to distrust the Light and Taint both. The Divine have always tried to lead us to simply oppose whoever was a bigger threat at any given time, with the Serenwilde always remaining essentially neutral and focusing on the defense of Nature.

Now, for some reason, everyone in the Wilde has ICly bought into what seems to be the moral high ground and decided we should ban angel-killing after all so we can get along with our Celestian friends. Is there an actual RP reason behind this, or is it just because that's what we're all used to?

As for the point of this thread, Celest has stronger fighters, and many more fighters than the Wilde has. Still, the younger members of the Wilde are learning to hold their own, and we can win if we're organized and have a few strong leaders around. I don't think the sides are quite equal, but if the Wilde and Mag actually actively worked together, they would have a pretty strong upper hand. So far, though, most of the Wilde doesn't want to work with mag, so there are other problems.

Well, let's see. Some Celestians stealing fae >>>>>> some Serenwilders killing angels? They're essentially doing the same damage, but some Celestians doing that gets the whole of Celest in such trouble that it was on the brink of war, though they ultimately banned it. However, of course, Serenwilde just CAN'T do a SINGLE THING about some of their members, so basically sits back and watches them raid, then blames Celest for the war. Seriously. And also, heard the rationale behind the war for both sides...Serenwilde's IG explanation is so... . Some of them just say that 'all wars come and go' and keep it at that . And in my opinion, a Seren-Mag alliance was against RP (Taint 'ruined' Gloriana and made Ackleberry disappear). I don't really care that much that Seren and Celest are at war, but the Seren-Mag alliance and the rationale behind the war is so...pathetic.

I am sure you have a char in either Serens or Mags government to be able to determine that it's against RP to do it, seeing that you must've heard all negotiations and talks, in which we totally broke our RP.
Wait, you don't?

Gah, a single event cannot be responsible for another. It's not JUST refusing to ban killing angels that started this war. That WAS a big push, but that alone would not have brought the kind of hositlity boths sides are seeing. Mag kills angels, all the time, still does, yet when we raided Ethereal overall more then Nil (starting to change, it seems.) I think in a lot of ways it was a rebellion from both sides, again rejecting the "Celenwilde" stereo type that their former alliance had earned.

I do not think you can use the history as a backing and be-all-end-all for roleplay. The players of the organizations determine what happens, in the end, and I could just as easily argue that the Seren/Celest "alliance" made no roleplay sense since Farella promised to abandon the cities in lieu of communes.

If we all went by this, no one would be with anyone.

Well, I didn't particularly like 'Celenwilde' either, because I do get the argument of it being against RP.

Wait, we aren't?

From my point of view:

Celest: *hump Serenwilde's leg*

Serenwilde: Yes, we'll help, now stop that.

Celest: Love you guys.

Serenwilde: Love you guys too! *snugglebumpkiss*

<< Time passes >>

Celest: Some of us stole some fae, OMG!

Serenwilde: You're bastards, but we still like you mostly.

Celest: Oh no, we're raiding our friends... quick, mutiny! Oust the evildoer!

Serenwilde: Too late, we're a tad offended - you're going to pay for this. *raids*

Celest: No no, we love you! We got rid of our leader for you! We'll ban slaying fae! Honest!

Serenwilde: ...ok. (Thinking, freaks) Still, we'd better not trust you, evil cityscum.

<< time passes >>

Celest: Alright, enough with the raiding. Submit to our demands or else.

Serenwilde: Hmm, we'd actually _love_ to be in bed with you again, but our idiot members voted against it.

Celest: Too bad. *wages war*


I for one am certainly glad we didn't cave to OOC convenience at the start of this war, and I goddamn hope we don't implement some absolutely STUPID policy about banning harming Celest. (Incidentally, I think the killing fae ban is stupid and poor RP too).

I don't think the people who are blaming Serenwilde for acting the way they are supposed to act are really thinking much. It's not Celest's fault, and it's not Serenwilde's fault that people raid each other. That's the way the game is set up.

At the start of the game, if Magnagora had issued the same ultimatim to Celest - punish and ostracise your members who attack demons... would their response have been different?

Yes. Slightly biased, but sure, you're welcome to that interpretation.

Again, no one's mentioning that your freaking goddess flooded Celest and killed many citizens, including novices!!

Or that, you know, we weren't really afraid of you guys raiding us, more so it was the possibility that we'd lose alchemical supplies. But hey, way to propagandize!

Again. If at the start of the game, when Magnagora was much stronger than Celest, had they said, we promise not to harm your angels but you must swear to ostracize any person who attacks Nil... would you really have wanted Celest to say sure?

I certainly wouldn't.


Edit: And Nico, slightly biased is what almost every post has been so far in this thread. Every time someone blames Celest, they're not really considering that taking responsive action was reasonable. Every time someone blames Serenwilde, they're not really considering that doing other than what we did is not only incredibly poor RP, it would be detrimental to the game's fabric of history and political ideology. You're welcome to spew more propaganda (Both our gods hurt each other's nations, I certainly don't think you were ever afraid of raiding, I'm pretty sure Celest saw they were in a position of strength and decided to make a stand), but really, can we just accept that this is not the fault of either organization where the other is blameless? Because no matter how good it might feel to think that, you're deluding yourselves with IC beliefs.