tends to.... has anyone else ever been nuked that there is a trend to tend towards?

Sure. We stop killing you, and in exchange you give up... nothing at all

In my mind, that's a different situation by far since the RP of each organization is set to conflict with each other directly.

Whileas yes, there is historical tension between the communes and cities, but not all out war. In those situations, compromise and agreements of mutual cessation of hostilities is not too far fetched.

But were I to look at it in the way you're saying, no, I would not be happy with that. The problem is, it's not like long established Serenwilde members were the primary instigators of these attacks. It was Ixion and Athana, fresh from Magnagora. Come on, if it were anyone else that was new to the commune, their arses would've been booted in half a day.

But nope. Ixion and Athana were titans, great fighters, leaders, and good people. But they were brand new to your commune and should've conformed to your rules and wishes, rather than the other way around.


EDIT: Dammit Elryn, stop editing your posts while I'm midway composing mine! I'm not saying Celest is blameless, and you can call me out on propagandizing all you want as long as you accept that your posts are just as bad. In fact, I think this war is stupid and we should be fighting Magnagora, but I'm sick of all the Celest bashing.

I would like to note one other thing. Even if the highest game admin want to take sides, they should NOT be favouring one side of the IC viewpoint and giving them implicit justification for being 'right'.

I'm sorry Estarra, but I completely disagree that Celest is the innocent here, and I think it is terribly bad form to give them your approval.

Cause it was you.

heh, I'm kidding. Really though the glom players posting here do care, and I had some very very long post describing how many of celest's early actions they were purposefully ignoring to suit their points, but thats what they want me to do, get bogged down in symantics so they can nit-pick.The rest of us have heard enough, but some glom's want more vicarious revenge out of it for what Amaru/Malicia/Thoros/Narsrim/Munsia used to do to them over a year ago.

Hrm, let me recap the basics for some newer players reading this who are being swayed incorrectly.

There were players in the serenwilde (outside of leadership) who really wanted this war.(you can even forum surf for them saying it!)
There were players in the celest who really wanted this war.(you can even forum surf for them saying it!)
Both groups of players kept doing things to provoke the other org.
Eventually the leaderships got sick of holding back their members because their organizations were being raided daily by the other guys. At this point no one cared about individual actions(cept the gloms) because the conflict had been going on for so long they knew the other guys were out to get them.(I use the term holding back, loosely, as neither actually did do much holding back, they just failed to organize raids against the supernals/avatars before war was officially declared, everything else had already been done in small or large amounts, it doesn't matter really.)

It's funny how much people ignore simple things like deathsights though. See as a minor serenwilde pencil pusher I've been having to diffuse celest/seren arguments that resulted or might have restulted in deathsights for a LONG time now (we're talking half a year before war was declared), so I know now that this war was not caused by a serenwilde referendum on angels or a celestian ultimatum, those were final moves in something I was trying to hold back for decades IC. The rest of you can believe what you want to, most forum goers are so entrenched in their idea of the truth anyway.

Until Glomdoring came out, Serenwilde had as much conflict set up with Celest as it did with Magnagora. The situation is not different, because Lusternia is NOT

Celest v Magnagora

and

Serenwilde (v Glomdoring)

Every nation has problems with every other nation. In fact, Celest and Serenwilde have hardcoded conflict quests, just like Celest and Magnagora.

Just like you wouldn't want Magnagora and Celest to agree to ignore their RP and completely ban hurting each other, I don't want Serenwilde to ignore their RP and completely ban hurting Celest. It's unfortunate that Celest hasn't developed much of a reason to conflict with Serenwilde, but the reverse is still there.

When did that happen?

If Narsrim is correct, Celestians who posted anti-Serenwilde stuff in the public news received her favour for it.

Japan? WW2? nooo! time for some MS paint editing to save the day!





Oh I wouldn't say they've failed in RP in that sense. I've heard many mentions that the Serenwilde is tainted, and celest needs to purge us or some such, I believe their players are doing a good job of adapting to the circumstances.

Ah, goodo.

This is an absolute lie. Amaru was favored (at least so far as I know) for an exceptional, IC post. It had nothing to do with Celest/Serenwilde war. It had to do with a superb summary of Celest's views, written down. To my knowledge, no other Celestian was favored nor did I ever imply there were.

This is nothing short of another attempt to influence people via forums on in-game matters. For someone who is so quick to criticize other people, you need to take a healthy dose of your own advise. Do not use my name in a post again that is blatantly distorted and drawn out of context to fit one of your many extrapolations.

Amaru was the one who I was speaking of. It's not a lie.

Celestians WERE FAVOURED.

I guess the question is: was he favoured for ranting against Serenwilde, or favoured for taking it IC? Slight difference.

Er Avaer...I think Estarra awarded individual posts or individuals rather than "Celest". (I think Amaru talked about gaining one in quotes or something)

I don't think granting a highfavor could be construed as "favoritism". I think if she granted favoritism, it would be for individual RP, not for an org. As the "meta deity", she is likely to do it based on individual merit, at least AFAIK.

Sorry, but I see Estarra taking a bunch of crap lately, for decisions she felt were important (conflict quest removal, Glomdoring in general), and I don't think we need to lump this into it.

But, erm, allying/whatever with Magnagora is -not- ignoring their RP?

If you're going to use that as your argument, you can't pick and choose which situations suit you. Either follow your RP, or don't.

And I know it's not as clear cut as Celest v Mag and Glom v Serenwilde, but the hardcoded mechanics of the game make it virtually impossible for any nation to stand alone. Thus, the political stage shaped into a Light v Dark kind of mindset. Of course things weren't supposed to be peachy lubby dubby with communes and cities, but neither were they geared to promote full blown war, at least not to the extent of the Celest v Mag conflict.

Celestians with the "s" implies MORE THAN ONE. We call this plural. You started you quote with, "If Narsrim is correct..." which would imply what followed was something I said. I -did NOT- say that Estarra favored Celestians. I said Amaru was favored for an exceptional post.

Once again, DO NOT attempt to berate me when you opt to insult Estarra as if I said it. It is cowardly and slander.

Why does it matter? My point is that the implication is still clear, whether intended or not. A high admin supports what was in that post. I think it is wrong to give that implicit justification, as I said.

And I'm not trying to bag Estarra, I think she is awesome. I just think that it is a mistake to take sides, or even give that impression. In positions of authority and responsibility, appearance is often just as important as intent.


How did I berate you? I said I wasn't lying.

Fine, I shouldn't have left the possibility open that multiple Celestians were favoured. Sorry for the plural, I should have been more careful. I WAS speaking about Amaru though. Who is a Celestian. Who got favoured.

Edit: Also, there is no way I implied you had any opinion whatsoever, and I know that you are smart enough to see that. The statement in which your name was mentioned was completely factual, though sloppy admittedly because I pluralized. There WAS NO BERATING.

It's a perceived 'taking of sides' so yes, that may be wrong. But her actual actions were just to reward someone for drawing up a very zealotasious post to IG boards rather then these. They always ask us to take things IC, but people always need to vent a bit on here and "god I'm angry because of -this-" leads to "-this- was only done because of -that-" which leads to "-that- was more wrong then -this-" and "-this- was abusing avenger" or some nonsense, and before you know it we've got 20 pages on who did what to whom. It's been going on for awhile, and most people don't try to do it, they just get led into it with small veiled referances they feel the need to correct, or symantics they want to poke at, or some insult that implyed, heck it's happening right now on this thread, and I can't claim myself innocent of it, no one can.

Definitely not. I realise I've been saying "Auseklis says..." a lot lately but...

Auseklis said early on to use the cities to our advantage and not withdraw from the political scene.

A person from Celest was favoured. That is not the same thing as what you stated above. Second, Meta-Dieties have given out favours in many of the realms I have been in for particularly excellent role-play before. It does not mean the Diety supports the character's views, it means that the Diety is recognizing the player's excellent role-play. Since there is no other mechanism to reward excellent role-play but to give out favours, it should not be unexpected when it does happen.