Lightzout was referencing the entire sacraments skillset to be overpowered.

The sacrificing mirrors the lich rezz, and trueheal's utility I would think was designed to counter the other effects of lichdom. You don't have 10p? no Trueheal. It's daytime? Liches are not insignificantly weakened.

At worst case scenario, you lack power to trueheal in combat. Poor lad, you have sacrifice to nearly always break your fall. Lich reformation is an exact time, and since souls can be barriered and eye'd in, the second death is rather easily forced. The same argument for sacrifice fails because as my previous post described, you can choose when to rezz.

I have both soul rezz and had Lichdom. Soul rezz is better hands down, even moreso with the buff nerf. Period.



Lichdom is transcendent. Liches reform with no defs, and no power. Points moot. Your final point is ludicrous, too. You're expressing that liches who do not have lichseed should not leave a corpse. This ensures they pray every single time they die (we're talking prime here because conglut's domain is all off-prime locations), whereas I am saying you can sacrifice but it is actually a significant sacrifice given no corpse.

Only skilled Crow users can use that - well, or ecologists.

And sacrifice is far superior to lich. Whereas you must be trans necromancy to lich, anyone with sacraments can be sacrificed for or ressurected. Not to mention Lich's huge daytime drawbacks.

So I guess what you're all saying is... deepbond needs to be made even better!

How is that a lich-only problem? You're just as capable as trapping our soul somewhere, just instead of dying again and praying, we either have to wait and lose more experience from mana loss, or just pray. Either way, result is the same. One xp loss death, and a praying.



Which are balanced by the night-time buffs...

Glom rezz from afar? Have I missed something?

Need to read more closely. It should be very obvious why eyes and barrier affect liches moreso than those being rezzed by a sacraments user. Mind you, which I did not mention earlier, you can rezz your mages and ANY skill level citizen, too. 1/3 of Celest having access to rezz where 1/3 of Magnagora does not is a significant difference as well.

Xp loss from mana loss is rather minimal now, given the vast reduction to praying Xp in general. Try it and see for yourself.

There is more to lichdom at night than just sheer stats. I would think by your post you did not know such.

Ummm, walk in to where soul is trapped.. Sacrifice, they get corpse, walk out under grace... Was something changed?

Nope, that is still the case, as I aforementioned.

I think you need to be smacked .

Lightzout only mentioned the resurrection and sacrifice skills. So unless he elaborated more on the rest of the skills in the Sacraments skill-set, there is no way a person can tell he was talking about the entire skill-set from his post.



Lich seed does not go away when sunlight comes up. So, the lich still gets the benefit of having a no experience loss death no matter what time of day he is killed. Now remember the part where I said Trueheal is not as good as Lich when it comes to saving a person from an experience loss death? Well that point still stands. I was not talking about the healing ability of one, or the stat bonuses/penalties of the other. I was talking about raw ability to save your behind from an experience loss death in a heated battle. Lich is hands down better, because Lich does not require you to actually have the 10 power on hand at death. Trueheal is useless if you do not have the power when it is needed to cast it.



Soul Rezz is better yes, if you have the person on hand to do it. You do know that the longer the person remains in spirit form, the more experience the person loses? Yes it is not as big a loss or as fast a loss as praying causes, but a person could stand in spirit form and lose multiple levels if he/she sits and waits on a non-existent sacrifice.

Also, Sacrifice and Resurrection do require that a person with the skills is present. Lich only requires one to personally possess the skill. I am personally more inclined to choose an ability that I can possess and use on myself, then an ability that I have to hope another is around to use on me.

Good thing trueheal isn't the sacraments rezz type ability. If it was, you might have a point worth arguing.

Regarding your second point. I, for myself, agree whole-heartedly. I'm a definite loner in combat most of the time- enjoy it more when it's all up to me. However, there's no denying the utility and power of sacrifice.

Ixion you have best rezz skill ever so you cant argue about rezzing skills.

One of a kind too, ha.

.I think Lightzout was confused when he said that. It does take you back to your egg in your nest, so there is some type of far off movement involved, but nothing abnormal, it's similar to transmigrate in that it takes you back to a specific object, it's called Darkrebirth.

I do know that there is a way to temporarily move your nest (crow has go to be the closest thing Lusti has to Achaean Grove skills), has anyone tested out darkrebirth while the nest was moved? Do you repop back to your newly placed nest, or back where your nest really is?

I see you looking at the thread Xavius!

Dark Rebirth requires you bond a totem. Atop that totem, you build a nest. With that nest, you pay 75 carrion to build the egg. With the egg, you can dark rebirth. When you dark rebirth, the egg is destroyed.

If at any point the totem unbonds (be it you move your bond -or- too much time passes) the egg is destroyed and Dark Rebirth isn't possible until you rebuild your nest and resummon an egg.

Yes, by rezz I meant rezzed by others, I know about darkrebirth, I have it.. and yes, it's a huge pain to maintain, that's why I don't use it any more.

...it's like a round of Aslarans...

It's like... 10 minutes a day!

It sucks when the totem unbonds and you don't know it though. "Well, my totem is ok. I don't need vitae. Lets go bash!" and then, during your bashing, the bond silently breaks and you get jumped and have to pray

Totems now tell you when they unbond...