Which is better, both in bashing and in combat:

Telekinetic or Dreamweaver?

I know that Telekinetics have mainly offensive skills, and Forcefield which I've been told aids in bashing. How far along is that skill?

Dreamweavers are a bit more subtle and deal with afflictions of the sleeping.

I can't decide which one is better overall. I like both of their skills, but I'm so indecisive at times, this being one of those times...

Dreambody afflictions are barely enough to kill newbies or people who are AFK. They're annoying but not really that harmful.

Non-dreambody gives you demesne sleeping (decent) and motes (good). Nothing good for PvE.

Telekinesis is very good both for PvP and PvE. Dreamweaving is more interesting, but definately a weaker skill.

So I'd take it that you prefer Telekinesis over Dreamweaving. I've looked at the Scrying Pool (amazing by the way) and I've found that Forcefield is pretty far along in the list. Also, I haven't really found any extraordinary skills in the Dreamweaving skillset that I particularly enjoy. The sad part is, I started off as a Telekinetic, but then I see one cool Dreamweaver thing and I switch. Curse you indecisiveness!

Forcefield, aside from Psiarmour which is available for every psion, is the only good PvE thing telekinetists have, but where they have few, Dreamweavers have none.

What's that cool dreamweaver thing you're talking about?

Hehehe, not that cool, but it was cool enough to persuade me. Remember a little bit ago when Shorlen posted that topic where she took control of somebody's body in Faethorn and made them go straight into the guards? Simply the idea of controlling somebody else's body was amazing to me. However, the 'awesomeness' has worn off and now I'm in denial.

Dreamweaving is really weak. No real PvE advantage except you can ward off all and any tendencies to sleep. It's cool, but sooo weak. Good luck trying to kill anyone of importance (e.g. skilled) in dreamform without burning all your willpower and power. You're gonna need to plan ahead a lot, and use a demesne.

Yeah, I'm still a dreamweaver

What is keeping you being a dreamweaver? Is there a particular skill that you like?

If you face a telekinetic against a dreamweaver, the telekinetic would most definitely win. They can even attack dreamforms directly with psionic skills. Not fun for the dreamweaver.

Dreamweaving can actually be very lethal in a demesne and is vastly underestimated. Unfortunately, of the mage/druid guilds, it's the weakest for aquas (but there's still things you can do with it).

Bolded the important part. Dreamweaving is good only in a demesne, Psionics are good in general in and out of a demesne.

For PvE dreamweaving has 1 skill, Control, which is just shy of Adept, you can get similar results against leaches(you said you were an aqua right?) with insomnia.

Psionics/Telekenesis has a slew of defenses some of which can be applied in various PvE circumstances quite nicely considering it is a tertiary skillset. I'd say Telekinetic hands down.

PvP, I'd go Telepathy instead, but since that's not an option, yes again telekinetic over dreamweaving.

Dreamweaving is a cool skillset, you get to sneak around until someone sees you, but I'd go with the Psionics.

Quoted for truth.

For 25P, I can pretty much slaughter any non-Celestian with deepsleep (doesn't work on Celestians, since 2/3rds of them can spend 10P to undo all the deepsleeps with Trueheal). Blackout motes are amazing - eight seconds of blackout. Eight. Hallucination motes can be embedded for passive illusions every ten seconds. That's really nice... for druids. You can embed epilepsy and daydreaming motes to constantly throw someone off balance... in sap. You can embed narcolepsy motes to make someone fall asleep through insomnia, which is death... in sap. It's nice for geos too, since if they get you exhausted AND starving, you're quite screwed, especially if they go for Chasm.

Using dreamweaving to kill people costs more than they lose from death, as I've said many times. Unless you do it in a group and use Nightmares instead of Eternalsleep. 20-30P and 15,000-20,000 willpower just isn't worth it for a 15% chance to kill someone who is too dumb/uninformed to do one of the many things that makes them invincible to dreamweaving dreamweavers. Still, it's fun to do from time to time, especially when trying to assassinate someone who runs a lot or hides in their city/commune after raiding or defiling.

So, really, stick with TK if you are an aqua. Dreamweaving just doesn't synergize enough with your skills.

Oh, and Dreamweaving has one skill that isn't a part of the spying aspect or the combat aspect: Dreamweave Control. This is not only immunity to sleep effects, but it's also immunity to drowse effects (from drowse, deepsleep, and sleepmist) which make you more tired, and you never naturally get more tired just like if you were level 80 or had a highfavour. (Note though that it doesn't protect you from being forced to sleep by domination effects, or from going to sleep due to stupidity, so you still need to keep Insomnia up.)

(On a somewhat related note, we desperately need a way to tell how tired someone is! Perhaps with dreamweave evaluate? Someone envoy this... please...? *begs*)

Telekinesis. Its strength comes from its versatility. In a group, and don't want your enemy to escape? Barrier! Want to use that huge merian ego instead of weak HP? Forcefield? Daggers and heartburst are awesome. Dreamweaving works a lot better for Geos and Druids than Aquas.

I think I'm going to switch from dreamweaving actually (if not entirely to another class *cough*), the main reason I kept it before was there were so few dreamweavers around, and being able to spy on people had its merits. Oh, and also raiding in dreamform undetected 90% of the time, if you don't purposely give yourself away too much (wasn't enemied to Seren until much later into the war, when I killed some random guy ) Oh oh, and you can sneak around enemy territories or explore new places without fear of being caught. Oh oh oh, and you can go around doing illusions and scaring people (but that's not really recommended xP)

I bugged Forren about getting into the envoys a lower willpower drain, don't know if that's gone through yet >.< But an upgraded 'dreamweave evaluate' was next on the list I think... gonna have to bug our Emissary sometime.

Thanks to all for the input. I'll probably switch back to Telekinesis, and wish that I'd never switched.

I have switched back and forth from Telekinesis -> Telepathy -> Telekinesis -> Telepathy. I suggest picking one or the other, and if you don't like it change to the other. For me to switch from trans-to-trans is like 50cr - which isn't all that much if you work hard for it. Plus, you should know if you like it or not before trans so it should cost you even less.

A BT dreamweaver can really hurt you, not so sure about an Aqua one.

From an RP standpoint, I really love being a Dreamweaver. There really aren't too many Dreamweaving Aquamancers around, so being able to provide unique skills to the guild, and the city as one of the only active Dreamweavers has provided some rich moments.