Bards

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Valarien2006-10-23 20:32:25
My poor spidersilk robes, reduced to pure ornamental wear!


Guess this means we'll have to change a few things, and I'll have to bug the crap out of forgers now sad.gif
Cairam2006-10-23 20:36:56
Think of the bright side. Now we'll have all these stylish Bards wanting stylish leather armour, so the amount of designs for leather armour will go up!
Shorlen2006-10-23 20:37:42
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Oct 23 2006, 04:31 PM) 345773
I've dodged attacks while wearing robes before.

I said some skills, not all. Dodging works fine with greatrobes, as does springup. I'm not sure what other skills were tested. I do know that when Elryn and I were testing, handstand didn't cause him to dodge any of my attacks (while he was wearing robes), but maybe that's for warrior attacks?
Unknown2006-10-23 20:41:50
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Oct 23 2006, 01:37 PM) 345781

I said some skills, not all. Dodging works fine with greatrobes, as does springup. I'm not sure what other skills were tested. I do know that when Elryn and I were testing, handstand didn't cause him to dodge any of my attacks (while he was wearing robes), but maybe that's for warrior attacks?


I'm pretty sure handstand is just bugged. When I had asked Estarra, she said it was supposed to be noticeable.

But its the same with maestro instruments.. supposedly the bond was supposed to make them noticeably faster.. upon bonding, I got like.. .3 seconds faster. Though I haven't tested it again recently.
Verithrax2006-10-23 20:41:52
Did you test handstand without robes?

And yes, it would be nice for there to be an alternative to robes. They don't even need to be as good as robes, but maybe an equivalent of splendor for trans bard tailors, slightly better than leather?

ETA: This is assuming robes aren't supposed to work, although I would still like something that is splendor but isn't robes.
Unknown2006-10-23 20:44:12
QUOTE(Cairam @ Oct 23 2006, 09:36 PM) 345779

Think of the bright side. Now we'll have all these stylish Bards wanting stylish leather armour, so the amount of designs for leather armour will go up!


Yeah but then Leather will become more expensive like wood and then it will be outsold. Damn bards, leave some stuff for the non-bardy people!
Unknown2006-10-23 20:47:20
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Oct 23 2006, 01:41 PM) 345784

Did you test handstand without robes?

And yes, it would be nice for there to be an alternative to robes. They don't even need to be as good as robes, but maybe an equivalent of splendor for trans bard tailors, slightly better than leather?

ETA: This is assuming robes aren't supposed to work, although I would still like something that is splendor but isn't robes.


There's nothing for Bookbinder Warriors. Or Tailor Warriors. Don't see why there should be something for Tailor Bards.
Shorlen2006-10-23 20:54:50
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Oct 23 2006, 04:41 PM) 345784
Did you test handstand without robes?

We didn't, since we noticed the leather thing just before Elryn when to bed. We had been wondering when Balancing wasn't protecting him from bonecrusher Knockdown... so I had him strip and tried to get him on the floor, but I couldn't.
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And yes, it would be nice for there to be an alternative to robes. They don't even need to be as good as robes, but maybe an equivalent of splendor for trans bard tailors, slightly better than leather?

Assuming bards are supposed to use leather, Splendor leather designs would be great! Like leather, except base stats are 22/22 (which is +9/+9) and proofable with two proofs (which get the double splendor effect just like robes). The tailor makes it, but needs a forger to Craft it to raise the stats (would be about 50/50 fully crafted). For comparison, splendor robes are on average 65/65 and have four proofs at double effectiveness.

QUOTE(Fallen @ Oct 23 2006, 04:47 PM) 345788
There's nothing for Bookbinder Warriors. Or Tailor Warriors. Don't see why there should be something for Tailor Bards.

Bookbinder warriors is a bit of a problem, but Tailor warriors do have something - it's called switching to forging and getting Fullplate tongue.gif

Also, warriors CAN wear greatrobes - it gives them more elemental protection at the cost of physical protection. It actually isn't a bad idea when fighting many classes. Heck, Splendor is better for them than plate, just not as good as fullplate. The problem is that, if I'm right, bards lose several SKILLS if they wear splendor robes. It isn't an issue of something else being better in certain situations, it's an issue of their skills stopping working entirely because they're using a trans skill of theirs.
Verithrax2006-10-23 21:03:54
QUOTE(Fallen @ Oct 23 2006, 06:47 PM) 345788

There's nothing for Bookbinder Warriors. Or Tailor Warriors. Don't see why there should be something for Tailor Bards.

Bards right now are the only class without a particular tradeskill synergy. Warriors get forging, guardians/mages get enchantment and wiccans/druids get alchemy. Having Tailoring restricted for us (Even more than it is for warriors, since warriors don't lose skills when they wear splendor) would be stupid, as it would limit bards' tradeskill choices even further. This is a bad thing as they already can pick one less tradeskill than warriors or druids/wiccans.
Nementh2006-10-23 21:59:53
Ack... this hurts... pain... ouch... can not bare going from 102/105, to 60/62, to 20/20... just not fair....

Now if Acrobatics worked against mobs, maybe not so bad....

Just a waste of money for robes
Shorlen2006-10-23 22:04:35
QUOTE(Nementh @ Oct 23 2006, 05:59 PM) 345826
Ack... this hurts... pain... ouch... can not bare going from 102/105, to 60/62, to 20/20... just not fair....

Leather is 40/40, not 20/20.
Nementh2006-10-23 22:04:55
still pain....
Unknown2006-10-23 22:14:05
Actually, leather can also be 60/20 or 20/60 tongue.gif
Nementh2006-10-23 22:17:11
-saulks in cornor-
Unknown2006-10-23 23:14:34
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Oct 23 2006, 10:04 PM) 345829

Leather is 40/40, not 20/20.

Er... am I just unlucky?

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It offers the following defences:
Physical cutting: 25
Physical blunt: 25
Armour Status: 115
A green leather vest of the white tree has no poisons or magical effects on it.

It offers the following defences:
Physical cutting: 22
Physical blunt: 23
Armour Status: 100
A green leather vest of the white tree has no poisons or magical effects on it.

It offers the following defences:
Physical cutting: 23
Physical blunt: 24
Armour Status: 95
A green leather vest of the white tree has no poisons or magical effects on it.

It offers the following defences:
Physical cutting: 25
Physical blunt: 24
Armour Status: 100
A green leather vest of the white tree has no poisons or magical effects on it.

It offers the following defences:
Physical cutting: 24
Physical blunt: 21
Armour Status: 100
A green leather vest of the white tree has no poisons or magical effects on it.

It offers the following defences:
Physical cutting: 22
Physical blunt: 19
Armour Status: 100
A green leather vest of the white tree has no poisons or magical effects on it.

It offers the following defences:
Physical cutting: 28
Physical blunt: 18
Armour Status: 100
A green leather vest of the white tree has no poisons or magical effects on it.


And at the moment, elasticity actually made me take more damage and deepwounds than I did without it, if I remember correctly. I -seriously- hope it works against mobs too.
Anarias2006-10-23 23:35:17
QUOTE(Avaer @ Oct 23 2006, 05:14 PM) 345847

Er... am I just unlucky?
And at the moment, elasticity actually made me take more damage and deepwounds than I did without it, if I remember correctly. I -seriously- hope it works against mobs too.


Not just unlucky, incredibly unlucky.
Nementh2006-10-23 23:41:47
actually, 20/20 is average for leather.... something that adds up to a totel of 80 is 'bestest' which makes 40/40 the most balenced armor for leather.

Of course I would prefer 50/30 for everything but legs and head. Head and legs I want 30/50...

So to Elryn, you are not unlucky, just cheap and don't want to pay a forger over and over...
Unknown2006-10-23 23:46:54
QUOTE(Avaer @ Oct 23 2006, 07:14 PM) 345847

A green leather vest of the white tree has no poisons or magical effects on it.
Shall I needs start calling you "guard of the citadel"; my Lord Elryn, of Gondor? unsure.gif
Unknown2006-10-24 01:45:52
QUOTE(Wesmin @ Oct 23 2006, 11:46 PM) 345861

Shall I needs start calling you "guard of the citadel"; my Lord Elryn, of Gondor? unsure.gif

Sure, as soon as you start calling your sister the High Priestess of Avalon. wink.gif

And I would have used 'Elder Silvershade' if I could!
Ekard2006-10-24 13:13:00
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Oct 23 2006, 10:29 PM) 345771

Now on topic:

Upon testing, bards CANNOT use several of their acrobatics skills while wearing Greatrobes. I repeat. CANNOT. They recieve no message about it - the skill just doesn't do anything and many think it's bugged. It isn't.

Contortion is one such skill. Balancing is another. Testing with Elryn, these skills worked properly with leather on, and didn't do a thing with greatrobes on. Contortion is 20% faster writhe, and Balancing prevents you from being knocked down. Also, Elasticity SEEMS like it is supposed to raise your "armor level" (your armor vs deepwounds), and with it, Elryn appeared to take as many wounds as when he wore Greatrobes, meaning it is designed to make bards take less deepwounds when wearing only leather. We need to test that one more though, our tests weren't conclusive.


I hope that bards will eb able to use leather armour only. i like variety and wiht other skills reducing damage it shouldnt be so bad.

QUOTE(calico @ Oct 23 2006, 10:44 PM) 345785

Yeah but then Leather will become more expensive like wood and then it will be outsold. Damn bards, leave some stuff for the non-bardy people!

No way for leather to become more expensive.
And if price go up then good. I have tons of leather in Celest comms shop for sell. tongue.gif