Ash and I just tested, and omen and sensitivity do stack... and what's more, omen checks sensitivity's number for its boost. What I mean by this is...

Symbol strike with neither: 1063 (+0%)
With sensitivity: 1413 (+33%)
With omen: 1594 (+50%)
With both: 2119 (+100%)

To calculate the damage when both are on it seems to take the 1413 from sensitivity and add 50% to THAT from omen instead of just adding the bonuses together (which would be less), so the two really synergize well together.

I thought you knew that, Kaervas did it with Grimm... it stacks and Grimm hit pretty hard if I remember right

Isn't that the case for just about everyone? Admittedly, it's easier for some than others but still.

So you want a one button instakill, like judgment? Sure, it's easy....in groups. 1v1 you'll almost never pull it off, unless you have some great setup for it.

So yeah, be my guest. Try judgement on for size. Likely you'll just be wasting power.

EDIT: I don't think it's -easy- killing with any class. Each instakill requires detailed setup and execution, it's what separates the good fighters from the bad. Even simple old damage kills require planning, unless you have the OMGWTFBBQ swords. You're arguing that instakills for nihilists are too hard, and that they should be made easier. I'm arguing that instead, some of your other skills might need to be adapted to better assist those instakills. The shackles changes are an example of that.

One time I randomly tried to do the preserve combo Ashteru (after changes) during a raid and it worked , I guess he didn't see it/forgot to sip fire. I, personally, was killed by judgement once because I didn't notice (Wargames, bunch of people in a room)

Yeah, my system tends to flip sometimes. Mostly 'cause of the lack of unstunmessage sometimes and things like that. :/ Still gotta find the problem.

Well, that was because I didn't have a soulless

I love how everyone not in the guild can argue its power but everyone who is will tell you its flaws. Try to find equal ground, try both. And yes if stacked they can be nasty. Ectoplasm use is really ONLY in group combat unless you are stalling a warrior and even then you can choose to ignore it.. But my biggest complaint is I just dislike absolve not needing anything and wrack does... more posting fun!

Absolve also takes 10 power, and wrack is only eight, right?

Not sure if I should comment, since I'm not a great fighter per se, but...

My Nihilist alt who was transed in all the guild skills and maybe had an arti or so was difficult to play, he didn't seem to be able to take damage or deal it (this was shortly before symbols were created). My current Geo character is much stronger, while taking lots of damage is able to dish out damage fairly well in comparison.

Trueheal, sacrifice, etc., fits a Celestine's RP very well, though I wish they didn't have the ability to strip lichdom. A trans skill so easily dealt with it seems, while we would to put in quite a bit of effort sometimes to make sure a soul doesn't get rezzed. Not that I notice anyone trying to do that of late :/

That's correct, if you're interested I'll PM you a link to that thread, I won't hijack this one though.

No, see. As a Nihilist, you don't have ANY room for failure, like a Celestine. You hit them with Ecto, try to hinder them from cleansing until you regen 2 power, then you crucify when they are off balance/equi, shieldstun or use your demon with crunch until they have all 4 limbs broken and then, if they are still on the cross, you sacrifice.

@Malarious: Well, wrack has two advantages absolve doesn't have, it doesn't take power if it fails, and it only takes 5 power if it goes through.


psh, I remember reading something about demons and sensitivity in one announce, sucka.

Reiteration: Ecto is not 1p.

Absolve costing 8p is a valid balancing argument.

Absolve costing power on failiure is not. If you are too inept or ignorant to build in a contemplate/discern check into your absolve macro, that's your own problem.

Continue.

last I checked, wrack took 5 power, which wouldn't be used if the victim was not killed. Abssolve takes 8 power which -is- wasted even if you didn't manage to pull it off.

As for Necromancy, it simply has a few skills that are totaly pointless, spawn comes to mind... I cannot recall now, but I was a Nihilist for a good while. Compared to Celestines, Nihilists are weaker, period, and there's no point in running around the bush about it. Be it the investable powers which are less debilitating or the annoying instant-kill skills they have which take a good but of luck and practice to pull off.

I don't think there's any issue with Nihilism, certainly not tarot, so yes, the only still viable front remains Necromancy. There's a general agreement that Nihilists could use some midification and then you basicly crucify Malarious for trying to do something about it... seems a bit like a paradox to me.

Kaervas, Narsrim, Ashteru, you guys -know- how to fight, and do so well- but the game is not exclusive to top-tier fighters, not to mention that you are equipped with artifacts or at the very least a deal more credits then Malarious and many other fighters out there. To approach every issue from -your- point of view doesn't really reflect the true state of things. No one said that Nihilists were bad beyond belief, but they -are- hard to manage at the moment because you need alot of skill to do so well. Unless I missunderstood it along the way, the general hope for the game is to split the game population evenly- if that is the case, I think there -is- a place to make Nihilists a bit easier to kill with. That does not neccesserily an overwhelming buff- just make things more accessible to us lower-tier/lowly-tier fighters

That's my opinion at least, hope it works out well

Pulling off an inquisition line is not extremely easy....

I am trying to do something about the not used skills in Necromancy, don't worry. And I am not top-tier. I am just artieloaden, and know when to run.

You seem big enough from my vatage point Ash

Nerf all Celest skills

Bad bad idea, you can't balance based off of lower tier fighters/credit resources, because then that overpowers those that are top tier fighters and omni-trans. As far as envoys go, balance is based on the omni-trans level for ultimate fairness.

I agree that Nihilism isn't as good as Celestines and their abilities, but that's more because celestines are really powerful. Like ash mentioned in another thread, some changes are coming for nihilists, one of which I screamed zOMG nerf!

Two guardians can do it with amazing ease.