There's a difference between buffing up and altering a class to be more easily playable by players who are not expert at programing. I didn't say that a class should be changed based on the amounts of credits the player within have. I simply said that those speicific people weren't really the example that reflects the true state of things as they are the best at the said field. You cannot judge an army based only on it's elite.

But you mentioned making it easier to kill with as a Nihilist, which would affect balance largely at the elite level...

sacrifice and wrack are possibly the most complex instant killer in the game. I do not think that having a skill similair to judgement instead of sacrifice would be so horrible. Just a tad less complicated... a class cannot function if only the best of the best can pull off a kill every now and then

EternalSleep is worse

Just to point things out some people missed.

Thorgal was really good as a Nihilist yes. I fought him a great deal considering I was Celestine Champion at the time. Back then, he whored barbedtail, which at the time could be spammed every 2 seconds (think it was just slightly under that, at about 1.75seconds) and then Ectoplasm, which was 0 power at the time, and kill his screwed target.

Eiru, same thing, while he did not use hte tail as much, ectoplasm was free to use and easily spammed, and his demon would afflict scabbies/epilepsy and he'd stick aeon and kill.

Both of them used skills which are nolonger able to be used as they once were. I've been both Celestine and Nihilist. So far, I'm the only person since Eiru who has been able to pull off perfect wrack kills on nearly anyone I fought, but this required insane coding to make it not fail.

I will say, Nihilists are nice for defensive players. They are hard to kill if they use ghost or need to run. They are slightly better at defense than Celestines in my opinion.

Celestines have ungodly offensive abilities and in a fair fight between the two, a Celestine should never die to a Nihilist and infact should have no issue killing the nihilist unless that nihilist was actively trying to escape through ghost/tarot.

They both have their advantages and disadvantages, but in the end I'd always pick Celestine over Nihilist. Also helps that absolve and judgement are sooooo much easier to pull off than Sacrifice or Wrack.

Conclusion: I was a Nihilist before your character was even created.

Your arguments, like most, are that you seem to expect you'll have a skillset that what... can't be cured? Ectoplasm for example is awesome. For 1p, you can hit every enemy in the room - and you still complain that it isn't that good "if they can cleanse. " If you don't see the flaw in your argument, you likely never will because as it appears, you want something that "can't be cured" regardless of how powerful it is.



Many people have pulled off Necromancy to great effect. Kaervas, Eiru, and Thorgal, for example, have all done this. Your inabilities are just that - your inabilities. I have killed you in the past where you didn't even hit me - not once. That has nothing to do with your abilities - that has to do with you.

Ectoplasm is useful one-on-one and in group combat. You might argue otherwise, but both Thorgal and Eiru used to use it CONSTANTLY against me 1-on-1 and given they were top ranked Nihilists, I feel their grasp on the class and strategies exceed your own. You may want to look at former logs and see how they did it for ideas.

As for wrack versus absolve, wrack does have a few advantages. Mainly, wrack costs 5p. If you fail to accomplish the kill with it, it takes NO power upon failure. Absolve costs 8p and DOES take power when it fails. Thus wrack has an extra conditional requirement, but takes no power upon failure. Many people, including Torak who was also an excellent Nihilist, argued this was a very fair trade off.



You assume Inquisition=Death. When I was a Moondancer and fought Shamarah, for example, he Inquisitioned me and then I -killed him-.

No, didn't want to reply so angry.
I have only three things to say:
1) Ectoplasm is 2 power
2) 2+ years is a long time, classes can entirely change during these.
3) Thorgal and Eiru both have been last (really) active over 6 months ago. In this, also a lot can change. There might not be more good Nihilistfighters because of the skills. That's a viable comment, as viable as you just saying that "We all suck." It surely doesn't lack at the trying, from my side, I am sure from Malarious' side, and from many others sides. Necromancy isn't that great. It has a few useful skills, but a lot of useless ones too. I'll try to work on that, but you need to get rid of the view that just because you have been Nihilist over 2 years ago, and that Thorgal and Eiru had some nice results last year doesn't mean the same tactics could still work this year.
I have a lot of things on my mind I want to play around with. Sadly, I lack the time to do so at the moment, but that doesn't mean that you can just disregard what I say with "I have been Nihilist before your character was even created." That statement makes you sound narrowminded, and even if it was intended as humouros (benefit of doubt), I don't see anything humouros in saying that I suck just because I play a little less longer than you.

yeah but mages and druids don't really rely on it to kill. If eternalsleep was very easy to pull off, you would have had many complaints about it being overpowered- and justifiably so, there are very few things you can do in order to fight off a weaver. when he is resting calmly at the nexus.

Also, Thorgal and Eiru are examples for top-tier, or close to it, fighters. (don't know Eiru, sorry)
It is easier killing with many other classes, that's a fact, not an opinion- If you want to have a class which is more tactical and needs more skill, that's fine, but that is not the purpose of the game I don't think.

As a new player, why would I choose a class that is hard to work with over a class which can kill by just staring at you (ain't really no such thing, but in my humble opinion, Nihilists are at a disadvantage).

It's an -opinion-, no need to pull out the whips.