Slowed...a bit?? Arm lashing me pretty much negates any offence I can mount, because it slows arm balance recovery -that- much. As well, if I risk attacking again while lashed, by the time I regain balance required in order to writhe/burn out, by that time I could have 3 or even 4 limbs lashed. Yes, it's that slow. It's happened to me before where I got an arm lashed, and then before that arm regained balance, 2 more limbs were lashed and I just -barely- rubbed blast before the 4th limb got lashed.

Heaven forbid that legs got lashed first. I would've been dead. And I'm not arguing about it's effectiveness for getting the kill, I'm not worried about that. My point is that you can effectively shut me down with such a simple skill. With arms lashed, I can't stack wounds/damage at all versus anyone with even mediocre curing.


So, when does thornlash cripple limbs? When it rends, and when writhed out of? Hrm. That's one of my biggest current problems, I have to watch diagnose for crippled limbs from thornlash in fear of getting sapped.

Erm, I don't think it cripples them, ever. Not unless that's a -very- recent change I haven't heard about.

The stag skill of Stagstomp can crush legs, that might be what you are confusing it with.

Edit: By the way, the intent was for it to slightly increase arm balance, not double it. Post timestamped logs if it is as excessive as you are making out.

Nico's thinking of treebane, and it seems to cripple one or two random limbs.

Ah, gotcha. Doesn't levitation stop that?

Since I was a little concerned about the armbalance thing, I did some testing.

Without lashing:


With lashing:


Maybe that is a little excessive. I'd suggest envoying the effect be only about an extra 133% on the time, rather than 170%-220%. (Assuming my lack of knighthood doesn't affect the result.)

If you're a 2hander you will need BOTH arms to swing, so maybe a 1 hander can but poor lil 2handers cannot

Completely, and it also stops the balance wait. Also, druids don't have anything like needle rain to passively remove it either, so getting thrown out of the trees shouldn't be much of a problem for anyone who is prepared.

It's not stagstomp, didn't think it was treebane, since I always use levi and it wasn't getting stripped. Thought I remembered reading something on envoys about it crippling limbs when it was ripped away as well...

And by the way, thanks for getting the timestamped logs.

Levitation does not stop treebane. Guess you druids don't fight each other much.

It doesn't stop it, but falling out of the trees won't break your legs with lev up, which is all that treebane does.

That is not what was stated. It doesn't stop the movement, but it negates all the harmful effects of it(broken bones, balance wait); and you can't call being moved from the trees(where you'll get hit with stronger demense effects) to the ground(where you'll get hit with less demense effects) a harmful effect, if you've got levitation up.

Edit: 'ed by the squirrel

A sudden gust of wind catches you and blows you out of the tree.
You gently float to the ground, protected from a nasty fall by your levitation.
5344h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16699w k-
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your chest.
Your bronchial tubes open up and your asthma is cured.
5344h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16699w k-

The ghostly outline of a ger rune briefly appears in front of you before slamming into your forehead.
5593h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16699w k-

You may eat or smoke another herb.
5593h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16699w k-
You take a long drag off your pipe.
You are patient once again.
5593h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16699w k-

You may apply another salve to yourself.
5593h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16699w k-
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your head.
The stinging feeling fades.
5593h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16699w k-

You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
5593h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16699w k-

You may apply another salve to yourself.
5593h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16711w k-

You may eat or smoke another herb.
5593h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16711w k-
You are bleeding for 66 health.
5593h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16711w k-
evoke pentagram

pipelist
You have recovered equilibrium.
pipelist
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
5593h, 5346m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16711w exk-
Muttering words of power, you trace a cobalt blue pentagram in the air that remains hovering before you, protecting against assault.
5593h, 5316m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16681w xk-
You take a drink from a jade vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
5593h, 5316m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16681w xk-
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Id Pipe Herb Puffs Status
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41955 a simple oaken pipe coltsfoot 7 Lit
43453 a simple oaken pipe faeleaf 7 Lit
76330 a simple oaken pipe myrtle 6 Lit
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Total Pipes: 3
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Id Pipe Herb Puffs Status
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41955 a simple oaken pipe coltsfoot 7 Lit
43453 a simple oaken pipe faeleaf 7 Lit
76330 a simple oaken pipe myrtle 6 Lit
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Total Pipes: 3
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Barren field on the bank of the Seres.
The shadowy outline of a twisted forest casts a dark gloom here. The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. The
parched fields stretch on here, a faint path winding around to the north and the southeast. The Seres river can be heard nearby, failing to
give life to the harsh wasteland. A blackthorn sapling clings tenaciously to the ground here. A wall of briars has grown here in a tangle,
blocking passage to the southeast.
You see exits leading north, southeast, and southwest.
5593h, 5316m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16681w xk-

You bleed 16 health.
5577h, 5316m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16681w xk-

The loud caw of a crow from above makes you shiver, just as Xavius suddenly swoops down from the branches above and digs his talons into
your flesh, dragging you back up into the trees.
4569h, 4382m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16687w xk-
You read a Scroll of Healing.
You feel an invigorating energy rush through you.
5128h, 4916m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16687w xk-
You recharge a Scroll of Healing with 1 charges from an energy cube.
5128h, 4916m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16687w xk-

pipelist
You have recovered equilibrium.
5128h, 4916m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16687w exk-
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Id Pipe Herb Puffs Status
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41955 a simple oaken pipe coltsfoot 7 Lit
43453 a simple oaken pipe faeleaf 7 Lit
76330 a simple oaken pipe myrtle 6 Lit
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Total Pipes: 3
5128h, 4916m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16687w exk-

You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
5128h, 4916m, 4563e, 10p, 24325en, 16687w exk-
starchant heretic xavius
Your action causes the nearly invisible magical shield around you to fade away.
You brand Xavius a heretic for his crimes against the Light.
5128h, 4066m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16600w xk-
You take a drink from an onyx vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
5128h, 4867m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16600w xk-

Xavius eats a bunch of pennyroyal.
5128h, 4867m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16600w xk-
l

Xavius takes a drink from an amethyst vial.
5128h, 4867m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16600w xk-
In the trees above barren field on the bank of the Seres.
The shadowy outline of a twisted forest casts a dark gloom here. The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. The
parched fields stretch on here, a faint path winding around to the north and the southeast. The Seres river can be heard nearby, failing to
give life to the harsh wasteland. A wall of briars has grown here in a tangle, blocking passage to the southeast. The Eye of Crow,
Guildmaster Xavius of the Rowan is here. He wields a mystic cudgel in his right hand.
You see exits leading north, southeast, and southwest.
5128h, 4942m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16600w xk-

Your heart thumps as you gaze at Xavius with love and adoration.
5128h, 4942m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16600w xk-

Xavius crosses his arms and shakes his head vigorously, then points accusingly at you. A shadow passes through the trees, whispering your
name.
5407h, 4942m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16606w xk-

The ghostly outline of a ger rune briefly appears in front of you before slamming into your forehead.
5407h, 4942m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16606w xk-
You take a long drag off your pipe.
You are patient once again.
5407h, 4942m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16606w xk-

pipelist
You have recovered equilibrium.
5407h, 4942m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16606w exk-

Bleeding wounds open up on your body, as your soul surges with holy power.
5176h, 5342m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16606w exk-
shieldstun xavius
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Id Pipe Herb Puffs Status
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41955 a simple oaken pipe coltsfoot 7 Lit
43453 a simple oaken pipe faeleaf 7 Lit
76330 a simple oaken pipe myrtle 6 Lit
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Total Pipes: 3
5176h, 5342m, 4563e, 7p, 24325en, 16606w exk-
You swing a tower shield with all your might, smashing it into the head of Xavius with a resounding ring.
5176h, 5342m, 4563e, 7p, 24240en, 16606w exk-

You may eat or smoke another herb.
5176h, 5342m, 4563e, 7p, 24240en, 16606w exk-
You are bleeding for 4 health.
5176h, 5342m, 4563e, 7p, 24240en, 16606w exk-
l
In the trees above barren field on the bank of the Seres.
The shadowy outline of a twisted forest casts a dark gloom here. The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. The
parched fields stretch on here, a faint path winding around to the north and the southeast. The Seres river can be heard nearby, failing to
give life to the harsh wasteland. A wall of briars has grown here in a tangle, blocking passage to the southeast. The Eye of Crow,
Guildmaster Xavius of the Rowan is here. He wields a mystic cudgel in his right hand.
You see exits leading north, southeast, and southwest.
5176h, 5342m, 4563e, 7p, 24240en, 16606w exk-

You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
5176h, 5342m, 4563e, 7p, 24240en, 16606w exk-

You may be healed by a scroll again.
5287h, 5346m, 4563e, 7p, 24250en, 16618w exk-

The bough you're standing on suddenly tilts and branches forcibly hurl you out of the tree, sending you tumbling to the forest floor.
You cease to wield a gleaming symbol of hope.

EDIT: By the way, swoop goes through shield. That's not a bad skill.

Since when do you break your arms fallling out of a tree?

And no one has said Swoop is bad. It's Gore that sucks.

Um.. Treebane isn't just falling out of the tree. Treebane is the branches slamming you into the ground. There's a difference. Its like why levitation doesn't stop shieldstun even though its a flat surface being hurled at you same as if the ground were racing towards you

And some of you have been druids for a very long time. I'm shocked that you don't know that.

I knew it! That's why I use treelife treebane with sap!
Anyway, thorlash is fine, there's no way to kill with it if you know how to cure off of it, and 1/2 chance every full eq to slow down one arm balance? Psh, learn to cure it bub, it won't phase ye. (Or buy my system *shameless*)

Mechanically, one would think that Treebane should be exactly the same as being blown out by the wind, which is why I'm surprised that it's not.

anyway, make trueheal on balance/eq

Err, why the heck would druids ever use treebane if it just knocked people to the ground? Treelife/treebane = random limb breaking through levitation. It's the only way we can break arms besides being an ecologist with mountain smudges.

Thornlash doesn't do a thing to your limbs besides occasionally add a small delay to movement, prevent flying, and double arm balance (which only effects bonecrushers/blademasters, not the other warrior specs or anyone else, right?)

Yet another of the many things that doesn't stop trueheal - impalation:

3149h, 4278m, 4304e, 6p, 14111en, 2117w exk-gore shamarah
You lower your head and charge Shamarah, impaling him on your antlers.
3149h, 4278m, 4304e, 4p, 14081en, 2117w ek-
Shamarah stretches his arms out to either side and drops his head back with his
eyes closed. A blinding white light strikes him on the forehead and travels to
his feet, lifting him off the ground. As he slowly turns, all his wounds heal
and a blazing aura pulsates around him.
3149h, 4278m, 4304e, 4p, 14081en, 2117w ek-
Shamarah looks pale and gaunt as his body shudders on the end of your antlers.
3149h, 4278m, 4304e, 4p, 14091en, 2123w ek-
Shamarah says, "Umm."
3149h, 4443m, 4304e, 4p, 14101en, 2135w ek-
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3149h, 4443m, 4304e, 4p, 14101en, 2135w exk-
3149h, 4443m, 4304e, 4p, 14101en, 2135w exk-
Shamarah looks pale and gaunt as his body shudders on the end of your antlers.
3149h, 4443m, 4304e, 5p, 14101en, 2135w exk-um
"Ummmm," you say uncertainly.
3149h, 4443m, 4304e, 5p, 14101en, 2135w exk-nature vines shamarah
Your attack is repelled by the prismatic barrier surrounding Shamarah.

Thornlash is so OP it's not even worth arguing about.

Any mugwump permalash anyone until they bleed 1000.. 2000...3000+.
Note, this fact includes even size 1 titans.

The arm balance increase needs to be removed, and eq on thornlash slightly increased as well.