Yeah, honestly that pissed me off. I guarentee that this system I'm selling is at least 4x better and being constantly improved, stfu man, that's really aggrivating implying I steal other peoples work after all the bug checking and recoding that I've done, not to mention the huge project that I'm undertaking just now.. And perhaps even an update to CMUD.. Get a life troll!

If I where you I would wait with cmud update for a while, anyways can I get the update of the system and are you by any chance selling an updated version of thorgal's maps (with the new areas)?

I have thorgal's old maps, but they aren't updated (I haven't even opened them up, and I don't wanna touch that ATM)
And no, I'm not doing ANY Cmud coding right now because of it's huge bug list.
(note posts should go in the other thread )

Just to let you all know... Ciaran is a de-lagging god. The old lag of Murphy's system is totally gone. On the old version, a ten-person bloodbath would lag me to hell. New version? 30 people taking down a pyrinne didn't even bother me.

Lag? There is never such a thing as this... "lag" in this system. I have no idea to what "lag" you refer to, Forren, as, to me, it does not exist. 50 people hitting on me will remain a fluid and effective thing, and thus I may enjoy mage-death without the hassle of such... "lag"...

Revan, forren went from the old to the current version, there is a definate difference
He's not saying this system lags, no need to get all defensive!
And yes, the old murphsters lagged a ton, this new one, none.

oh my GOD you people are idiotic.

If I see one more person flame Ciaran again, i'm taking names, and i'm comin back with an OOC vengeance.

The sheer amount of work involved in actually UNDERSTANDING the way the code is set out, and to re-edit it is a feat in itself. Ciaran has not only taken the time to do that, but he's gone in depth and really pulled it apart and spent ages on illusion detection, lag issues and many more things that make it more user friendly.

Also to a large extent Geb (hats off to the old bastard) really put pureblades on the map, and i never got to designing a good parry system against it. Has anyone got a parry system you struggle with Geb? Or is that sword of yours just so overwhelming the person with the system needs to also be a damn good fighter too?

Anyway, cheers to Ciaran for doing such a fine job, he really caught on with the idea to make different 'modes' so the system is user friendly to as many class combos as possible.

EDIT: From all the work he's done, it's me you should be flaming for taking any profit at all from the work put it, good thing Ciaran isn't greedy because that's a whole lotta work he's done right there.

To be honest, I'm sorta depressed how little I have made , it's okay though, I have a really nice system to work with now And thanks Murph for the support!

Come back!!!

Good. Send me my update then. It's been a while now since Thorgal fulfilled that promise to me after paying him my credits. I'll be waiting for the email. (Msg me for my new email address)

It's 100cr base, 50cr if you had Thorgal's but not Murphy's update to Thorgal's, and free if you had Murphy's.

Okay, I'll make a little chart:
Current system--------Cost in credits
Thorgal--------------------50
Murphy--------------------50
Murphy/Thorgal Hybrid---0
Other---------------------100

there ya go

...Hi!

I find combat hard

I'm a coding retard

But now I can heal

I once again feel

Confident that I won't die.




This endorsement was brought to you by Aiakon, who bought the system a while back and now doesn't die as much.

I have the Thorgal Murphy inbred thingy, Ciaran won't give me my damn update though.

I didn't want to say anything, but now I'm hearing claims that you've been spreading word tht your system is greater than mine. Let's get some things straight Ciaran. Your system is for Zmud, mine if for Mushclient, so both systems have different capabilities.

Your crowning achievment is the removal of "lag", from a buggy system. Mine may be everytime a Ciaran system buyer switches over to to Mushclient due to the bugs still in your system.

You took a system that was already built, coded on top of it, fixed some bugs, and with a great deal of help from others you now sell it as yours, though it is mainly the work of many others. My system is entirely coded by my hand over eyars of work, not a few months. I don't try to rip off my buyers by charging 100credits for something I ripped and repackaged. I charge 25crs for a system with real coding done from the ground up by myself, so when something does break or go wrong, I can fi it immediatley and send out the updates, while your clients often wait weeks or never get updates at all for bug fixes.

As i said, both systems have different capabilities, and I never wanted to say anything about how you came about coding your own system, but you shouldn't talk shit behind my back mate, I have over 1.2k players who have used my system and helped it get to where it is today.

That was my post above by the way, though Ciaran should know it's me.

Just to be clear, if you use Zmud, obviously Murphy's old system, ie, the Ciaran System, is your best option. If you use Mushclient, currently my system is. They both have advantages and disadvantages so I don't believe one is any better than the other. I was just annoyed at the nerve some people have to make boasts or claims they really don't have the right to make.

I'm not buying that 1/3rd of Lusternia is using/used your system Ethelon but then as they say most numbers used to prove a point are made up on the spot.

I bought your system, I transfered to Thorgals (and laters murphy). So maybe you should go down a ladder. (granted it had more to do with the capabilities of zmud then the system, though if i remember correctly your system wasn't very modular to other guilds)

You spew crap that he had it easy by debugging a system. I know from experience debugging something can be a lot harder then creating something from scratch because of the different coding styles. I also know that a system made by 3 different people (or more) is likely to be better in concept then something made by one person as each has a unique insight, ofcourse one person had the advantage of a more consistent coding style(taking said person has a good one).

I also personally think coding in zmud is a lot harder then mushclient (oh yes basic commands are easy in zmud but if you want a fast system it becomes harder)

and whatever he may of claimed atleast he didn't do it in a topic dedicated to selling your system.

Get your facts straight Anisu. I said players, and yes, over 1.2k players have infact used my system. I'm not saying they use it now, nor am I saying they stuck with it. I was sick of the fact that I'm getting IM's from people telling me Ciaran said shit about my coding or his system being better. I've never said anything bad before and IC I think Ciaran is a great guy. I'm glad you tried my system, so long ago, when it wasn't really adaptable to other people. That has sicne been changed, in fact you are speaking of my system from what, over a year in a half ago? All systems back then had a crap load of bugs and none were very adaptable.

I never said he had anything easy. I don't like the fact he is making claims when he spend a fraction of the time to do what he did in comparison to say what me, or Thorgal or other original systems writers have done.

Zmud is not harder to code, I've been shown the code and I've even coded systems in Zmud. Zmud was made so people have an easy time coding, that's what is so atractive and great about Zmud.

I don't care that he didn't make a claim in my threads either, he is making the claim in th game and people are coming to me laughting about it.

Ohh, as to my numbers, as of now, my free system has had 989 downloads. Before that, I sent out systems and I had an older system for free on there. My original system I sold I had around 60 clients for. For this one I've had 37 so far. So no, I don't have exact numbers, but I still believe I'm over the number I marked.

One more thing, since I guess it's not clear in my post. I AM NOT saying my system is better than Ciaran's. They both have their distinct advantages and honestly, I don't see how they can be compared since they run on different clients.

As fun as it is I'm not buying that lusternia even has over 1k players 1000 downloads dosn't mean 1000 people are using it to be fair.

first of your ammount of counting users is wrong, you right now admitted to having 97 paid clients, more realistic. Downloads give nothing away of howmany people use it, I downloaded your free system on every update to read the code (I have most systems that are acquirable, even Amaru's). I have downloaded it multible times when I wanted to continue reading at work, or on my laptop or even in the train. I know people that downloaded it again after reinstalling.

you said players, and I checked there are currently 3995 CHARACTERS. Even taking all are unique to compesate for those that suicided (and I myself have 5 alts so we all know we have a smaller playerbase) you still are claiming having near 1/3rd of the playerbase using/having used (be it to use or just to read the code) your system. This is why your numbers where made up

If I devout 1 month on writing a lusternia system I can have one of the same quality as yours and ciaran. it has nothing to do with how many months. among things most updates are about changings in lusternia (new things, envoy things, etc.) And realisticly I'll use 15 days collecting information, writing concept lists and snippets, and then 10 days of coding (of which 2 will go into figuring out how to keep zmud from lagging) and then 5 days of testing and making corrections to coding bugs. And then someone fights Geb with it and I'll have a concept problem in some curing but Geb can break every system I'm sure.

A system isn't a grand project like writing drivers for hardware. Or even nothing compared to writing a guidance system for rockets. and all those are often done in less then a month.

It might be a personal preference that i code easier in mushclient, zmud like i said lags on many commands.

Lastly I think Thorgal was the first who made an easy to adjust system (note easy to adjust means it's accually a worse system in terms of efficiency)

Okay, Ethelon, I don't mind you trying to bag on my system, yes, MY system.

It shows some lack of character though.

Anyway, this system is completely revamped with 0 lag, 0 curing bugs to date, fully toggleable features like: auto-slitlock curing, on/off deaf curing, focus mind use to reduce # of afflicts, on/off auto-pipe lighting, highmagic/lowmagic toggle, use of mage cleanse+ignite to save enchants, auto sparkleberry, auto healing scripts and more!
This system is very graphically inclined with a graphical settings menu to toggle all of this.
You shouldn't make false claims about shortcomings of my system.