Not by me and if anyone else disfavoured you they'd have me bitching them out. The rule only applies to people we aren't at war with so that wouldn't be grounds for disfavouring. And if it'd be for breaking this temporary truce, it was only extended to us so we could consider their treaty and then extended to them while they considered a treaty we came up with.

This war needs an event to end it.

And would you be ok with an even that ended with us being allowed to kill angels, or would the war continue? I sure as hell don't want an event that makes us buddies again, or even one that makes us stop killing angels.

How the war started was stupid. The war itself was stupid. This is stupid. Let's just pretend it never happened and continue on our merry way

gbtg?

What does it mean?

GBTG = Glory be to Glomdoring


For those complaining about the treaty - let's thing about what peace is for a moment.

Peace between two states is.. well.. the two states not attacking each other.

So how is preserving the freedom to engage in war your idea of peace?

It was a bad joke about putting your fingers in your ears and pretending things didn't happen

If we agree not to kill angels, we need to also agree not to kill demons, is my sticking point. If we would agree to that I'd be happy, even though I'd still hate Celest.

The difference between us is that we don't consider a single person capable of making war. You do.

Freedom to engage in war isn't war. Its the potential of war that exists naturally between all the orgs as long as one isn't subservient to the other.

When Ixion and Serenwilde kill more angels in a day than Magnagora does in a week, there exists a problem.

Yes, there is a problem. That's not Serenwilde making war on you though. If he's killing that much, though, then war would have been a threat, and this policy would have come into play.

If Magnagora is killing a bunch of angels, and Ixion wants to help them, I wouldn't consider that Serenwilde making war on you, I'd consider that Ixion helping Magnagora make war on you, which is vastly different in how it affects everyone else in Serenwilde.

I think the arguments so far in this thread have already made a bit of the point for me...

People might say that this doesn't actually end conflict, but obviously it does, at the very least, have a major dampening effect on it, as it is no longer possible to do anything offensive. The biggest problem is that with this policy, it is the other organizations which define what is legal or illegal for us. If New Celest (or anyone else, but Celest is a good example at the moment) says something really irritates them and they would war with us over it, it becomes illegal. If it doesn't bother them quite that much, then it's perfectly legal.

The other thing that I believe this thread shows is that this sort of decision will not be good for the numbers of the Serenwilde. People don't like being so limited without a good explanation.

Thirdly, I think we can see that this policy doesn't solve the problem. If we decide to even wander around the Inner Sea as enemies, then Celest might consider it an act of war, even though it doesn't seem like any big deal to us. So, either we make that illegal, or we go back to the same situation again. While I can appreciate the ideas behind the policy, even reading through this thread shows a lot of problems with it.

And that's where we in Celest view things differently. Getting you guys to take responsibility for the actions of your commune members is the whole point of this war.

And an event that "allows you to continue killing angels" would not be an event that ends the war, because the war won't end as long as you continue killing angels.

So you want the gods to step in and say you win. Not gonna happen.

What if we said let we don't allow any Celestian in any of territories, including Faethorn. Would you punish them all whenever anyone set foot in anything we own or claim to own?

And if people don't like being restricted, QUIT COMMUNE/CITY, QUIT GUILD, QUIT ORDER.

I wasn't too thrilled about the war not being over, but I don't want it to end this way. I'm pleased that the Moonhart circle are not just accepting this as terms for the war to be over. If this is the only way, it may just be better to be at war.

You're wrong. It doesn't end all conflict, that's so melo-dramatic. And if you really think that this lets other people dictate our policy in Serenwilde then why don't you just say what you really mean and say that you think the leaders of the Serenwilde are brainless puppets who just want to grovel at everyone else's feet while they laugh in your face?

I do so love how this propaganda gets spread so much, to the point where a nameless seren uses it as an argument on our commune boards, and has to get slapped down for blatantly lying.(and spouting possibly insane info)eh? Last I checked Serenwilde had Delport. You're going to enemy seren newbies for doing a village quest in our village? RP-wise it's possible, but not really(see Anarias's post), coding wise not in the least, you guys get avenger assistance in keeping your territory clear of people who actually attack you(if you attack those who aren't killing turtles/kelpies you're just being asses), and we get.. oh right, our enemies get conglut while they try to bait us.

The current circle? No. It certainly opens the possibility, though, and if this policy were truly to be followed in its current wording, then that would be the result. If the Council doesn't have any intention of letting that happen, the policy should be updated a bit to reflect what they really mean.

Don't elect puppets and you wont have puppets on the Circle. That's the first check. It doesn't open up any new potential for idiots on the Circle. If someone is going to bow down to another org they'll do it law or no law.