Ashteru has it about right. I can't check yet how much an Astral creature is worth, but before the upgrade it would be like 300-500 creatures depending on which you hunted. If you bashed up to 100 already.. there is simply a point reached where you don't -want- to bash anymore, at least not that much. But the only promise demigod currently really holds is the one that you will -never- be able to stop bashing if you want to remain a demigod and be active in conflict.

What I got from demigod was the constant fear of dying. You can say we get +1 stats overall and an instant teleport but I'd much much rather trade those two for something like conglutinate or transmigrate. In fact, if it wasn't for all of Aesyra's rp and that'd she has been an Avatar I would probably have issued myself already to ask to get put back to 99(50%) and then try to find a place in a druid guild.

Dying as a 'mortal' character is extremely negliable. You lose like nothing, especially off plane. You can simply walk in there and -enjoy- it, no matter if you die or not. But if you die as demigod.. you can already keep a time table and check the hours you need to bash to get it back again.

They are not 5,000 essence. Can you use influencing and esteem for that essence?

Anything that would give you exp, gives a demigod essence. For the simple reason that 'essence' is a number directly translated from 'exp'. Exp is numbers too you just only see the prozent in your status. Doesn't mean there aren't numbers behind it. And no you do not have any passive essence gain, ie 'offering' a 100% esteem item to yourself or some other joke.

And from what I've been told, astral creatures are currently ~2k ( to 3k) essence, or 2k exp points, whichever you prefer. So for 500k essence that would be roughly 250 (down to 166) astral creatures. Zarquan, how often do you see yourself dying as an active raider/defender (and mind you as demigod you're the first target more often than not, and you don't get fights 1vs1, you get teamed. Always.) ? How long do you think it would take you to hunt 166-250 astral creatures? In the end it adds up and ceases to be fun. Why should I play a game that forces me to do the same things each time I log on if I want to make sure I can die once or twice without worry?

Some guy told me you had like 200 millions essence.

Everyone who is arguing against me is reading too much into what I'm saying. I agree that the essence cost for Phoenix is excessive.

You think I don't know that experience is just a number? It's a computer game. Everything is just strings and numbers.

How often does a demigod who doesn't raid/defend die? If you die, isn't it usually because you went into a dangerous situation, knowing full well what could happen to you? It's like you're saying the game mechanics are griefing you. I don't know.

The argument is that titans are far superior to demigods in terms of PvP combat simply because the losses associated with being a demigod are much more severe compared to titan losses.

As far as combat goes, they're both supposed to be really strong, and most normal combatants won't stand a chance against a decent titan/demigod. I don't understand how you're arguing that you should be able to kill demigods...

They're not really that imbalancing, I mean...sure, they're harder to fight, but they're not immortal. Look at how Geb (level 78) beat Daevos (titan) in the combat spars. And it's not like only top tier combatants have a chance....I've beaten some titans, but I'm not top tier...

On the contrary, the only times I know of Melanchthon dying recently were when he lagged off on astral. Ialie made a wrong turn and died to Celest's guards. Both were unintentional, non-combat situations.

Being on Astral is a combat situation, always. It's a dangerous place to visit. Didn't your mother tell you that?

Not really. There is no raiding, and most combat on astral takes place during Wildnodes.

The point is - Melanchthon died because of lag, not because he was jumped.

No but people keep wondering how essence is gained. That part wasn't soley directed at you but at everyone. Hopefully that answers it once and for all.

As for game mechanics.. what I'm trying to say is Titan >>> Demigod and I don't see why it should be that way considering Titan is the second highest level and Demigod the highest. Demigod should be special to reach and maintain and not a curse.

I'll agree with Aesyra, but not Forren.

Lag only kills you when you're involved in combat. Dangerous situations are not limited to PvP. Bashing on Astral, especially when you're lagging, is a risky proposition.

What would you guys actually (and reasonably) want to see happen to make Demigods be preferable to Titans but still not ridiculously overpowered? (By ridiculously, I only mean that you shouldn't buff them up to the point where even with odds of 5 mortals against 1 demigod you still can't kill the demigod.)

Denizen death not causing essence lost. Just as a follower who dies to Denizen death does not cause Essence loss to a God

Any change that would make phoenix a good thing would make Demigod worth obtaining (over just staying titan)

That seems reasonable enough, and though it might be abusable in some way (person killing a demigod, so the demigod does something to make themselves die to a denizen instead), it'd probably be difficult enough to be unlikely.

How about using essence to resurrect someone? Is that something an Avatar can do for members of his/her Order?

I like this.



Yes avatar haev power to soulress order members at cost of his or her essence.

Wait, so Ialie -used- to be a demigod? Confused . Yeah...the demigod penalties seem pretty bad. Titans die in raids, that I know. I've killed Daevos because of hailstormwhoring in group combat. 500k essence/exp is 250 astral creatures, so...2.5 levels at about my level (71). That's...painful.

Everyone might flame me out for this...

but...

I’ve always loved the idea that it is incredible hard to maintain demigod with phoenix, it separates mortals from immortals. It's a clear sign that a non-ascended mortal's grasp on even part-godhood is fleeting, and almost impossible to maintain under normal circumstances. It fits in beautifully well with Lusternia. No one can get up to level 100 and stay at level 100 for all time there-after, and flaunt about being immortal and still be active. We're all just mortals trying to get a tenuous finger hold in godhood.

The concept is just lovely to me.

I agree with Wesim.










I feel dirty now.

I think its bollocks

Phoenix should be halved for essence, at the very least.