So I've had my share of alts in Lusternia, but I never seem to stick around much on warriors, due to either the large amount of initial investment to get my first set of weapons... or just not knowing enough and not wanting to make mistakes.

Out of all aspects I'm most clueless about exactly how strongly weapon stats factor in.

What's the real difference between minimum and maximum speed?

...damage? (are we talking hundreds of damage, or just a bit, or is strength all that much more important?)

...precision?

Which of them actually effect PvE (damage/speed I'd assume?) and for if I try to get weapons just for hunting, would they be alright for defense (PvP)? My alts always try to help out their nation as much as possible.

I know warriors have attack styles, lightning.. some other things.. are they effective PvE, if so, which one the most?

Or is this all mostly minimal, would an actual racial balance recovery boost, of even level 1 be far better then max speed/lightning/ect.?

How much faster would a max speed stat, lvl 3 balance, lightning style warrior be than a minimal speed stat, lvl 0 balance, no style warrior, or should I be going for max damage stat high strength instead?

I know there are different types of weapons as well, and they all have different max and minimum values for all three stats, rapiers are fast I think? axes are strong.. something like that. As a low warrior is there one I should try to buy/forge more then others?

Mostly I've got this plethora of questions to help me understand low level warriors better. Any advice from experienced warriors would be greatly appreciated.

Speed and Charachter Strength, are the only stats that matter in PVE

For damage, 190 damage did 836 hp
90 damage did 320
and 50 damage did 151

In a quick test just now

Elryn's wiki as well as another thread somewhere around here both list which types of weapons are meant for what, i.e. katanas, hammers and rapiers for speed, scimitars for wounding, etc.

Isn't that significant?

Maybe those damage differences don't translate to PvE?

The formula for PVE that I was told by Melanchthon was

(STR * (Damage/10)) / TIME (time being in seconds not speed)

I don't think that's a real formula, only that he used it as an example to show how insignificant weapon damage is in PvE.

And yes, there are different formulas for PvE and PvP. Moreover, weapon stats are affected by your rank in Knighthood, which additionaly skews the tests. As a result, it's extremely difficult to discover the exact formulas.

EDIT: It's a VERY rough assumption that damage you deal (to players!) and wounding are more or less proportional to the weapon's wounding stat. Speed IS more or less proportional to speed stat. Lightning style is the best for PvE, but it offers very insignificant speed advantage. Like every style, actually - I rarely hassled to use them in combat. Balance gives about 7%/rank faster balance regain, was 10% but speed was nerfed.

EDIT-RANT: Warrior guild teachers who tell their newbies to get anything else than speed-weapons when the aforementioned newbies ask what's the best weapon for bashing/hunting/PvE/whatchacallit should be stripped of their position. I mean it. In PvP however, damage weapons are better now with addition of maneouvers. However, I still think precision and speed weapons are better if you don't have artifact runes on them. High-precision speedy weapons are still the best choice because they are a solid choice both in PvP and PvE. Of course, some people carry more than one set of weapons.

Like me. I carry three sets of weapons right now, and none of them are terribly cheap. Basically, the key factor is definitely speed when talking about hunting. I can get you some detailed speed numbers when I get home, with transed knighthood. I have averages for weapons at *chin* 25* speed (I forget the precise one), 273 speed, 280 speed, 290 speed and 300 speed. Network latency actually starts becoming a serious question at higher speeds.

Damage is insignificant in PvE. It definitely makes a difference, but generally you'll do the same, if not greater, DOT (damage over time) using speed weapons. Plus speed allows you to run if you need to.

Combatstyle - as Cuber said. Lightning is best for hunting. The others are really only significant in combat. I use defensive when fighting warriors, aggressive against others. I never really use concentrated, unless I can't hit the person otherwise. Lightning I don't use in PvP at all, but I tend to fight with high-speed weapons anyway.

I also will disagree with Cuber on one point. Damage weapons can be quite -effective- with maneuvers, but I find precision to still generally be the best to fight with. Being able to get to the higher levels of wounding is critical, if less so for a Bonecrusher. Then again, I love being able to knockdown and fractureskull in my opening move by use of crush...



I can't comment precisely. I haven't done a minimal-speed, lvl 0 balance. That said, lvl 0 balance with max speed compared to lvl 3 balance, max speed, is 2.03 seconds compared to 2.61 seconds. This was with combatstyle aggressive and speed 300 hammers (drawdown and forging runes, 280 base).

The difference between lightning and not-lightning combatstyle is .05 to .1 seconds. It really isn't worth it, given the decreased damage, as opposed to aggressive, which has increased damage.

Re: speed.

Vital. Max speed rapiers (at 280 speed) drop your balance (assuming no racial disadvantage) into the 2-3 second range. Buff them to 300 (various skills) and you'll be pretty reasonably close to 2 seconds.

Concentrated doesn't increase accuracy, it gives increased wounding. Very little wounding. Aggressive gives a very small bonus, too.


But that's what I said.

Pardon, I goofed. I meant to say even taking artifact runes into account, I find the precision weapons to be better.

Goes to show you how little I use concentrated too, I just haven't really use for it. O.o