People can stack TF's? Like Zenji, I only received about two TF's from Lisaera throughout her tenure.

Are favours in general too cheaply acquired?

Edit: Also, I believe that favours should not stack. Not in any benefit or penalty. And maybe people without a Divinity (poor Glomdoring) should be able to offer to Avechna, so for x essence you get an automatic truefavour. If the ease of getting favours isn't adjusted, that is.

Yeah that's right, it's not a bug by design, but I already made a bug report about it because it shouldn't exist that way for traps.

Not a bug, but needs to be changed hopefully in short order.

Offering to Avencha for favours, sounds like an awesome idea!

Or maybe to vernals, at the seals.

Er.. no on favours from Avechna. Favours aren't an entitlement.

When they give massive edges in combat and are freely available to some, they should be.

Since the divine are so tied to the cities and communes, and you can't really follow a divine thats not in your consulate without extreme exceptions, I think it might be needed on a certain level.

That depends. If half the gods grant them in such a way, why should the rest of the playerbase not be able to access the same?

If we adjust the x essence = autofavour then sure, no need for it. But at the moment it really does work that way for a lot of people.

I guess a new summit needs to be had about balancing divine favours a bit more. I thought it was not really possible to stack them anymore, but maybe I am getting things mixed up between here and Achaea. Anyhow, maybe some skill-sets should not be boosted by True Favours. Especially the effects that can have an indeterminate duration and require a skill's check to remove.

Favours in general are not to cheaply acquired by all. Some people acquire them cheaply yes. That is on the divine though, not the player.

And yes favours can stack, it is possible to get TF's from Charune, Morgfyre, Fain, Lyreth and Terentia, all of them stacking. Not likely but possible. This leaves communes and cities with only 1 divine or divine who do not hand out favours so readily at a disadvantage.



Anarais has spoken... So let it be written, so let it be done

Glad to have a follower.

The problem with having x essence = favour without having to get a favour from an actual god is that unless the requirements were extremely high they would become standard defs. Having favours not boost skillranks past Transcendent is closer to a less knee-jerk fix.

Horrible Idea, sorry man, you've got some good ideas, but this one's bad. I don't think that the solution to overpowered buffs is to make them -more- accessible to those able to really rack in karma, or something other equally abused system.

Divine Favors should be useful, and should be uncommon (getting them at certain special times or for certain deeds), making them a commonplace buff wouldn’t be a good choice in my opinion.

I can see that, but as it goes for now, it already is a standard def for some. Some have 2 as standard defs. So it is putting a serious lean towards one orginization over another, due to either A. Lack of divine or B. Lack of essence/willingness to perform such an act such as TF'ing all their main fighting commune/city members.

I am more worried about the favours be it High Strong or True, effecting a skill class to a point where they can practically nullify a skillset.

1 TF will negate No TF
2 TF will negate 1 TF

Something should be done about this, be it this essence thing, not being able to stack TF's, but hopefully not letting TF's intefere with a skill to such an extreme to cause them to be rendered useless.

Quite agreed. Seems like truefavours and such would provide enough benefit as is even if they didn't raise a skillrank above Trans.

My problem with favours at the moment is that they -are- standard defs for many, particularly Celestian players but also Serenwilde and Magnagoran players to a lesser degree.

I -hate- that, I absolutely detest the thought that truefavours are so easily acquired that people run around with them permanently and sometimes two at a time. But if it is happening, and obviously encouraged by the admin, at the very least it should be equitably obtainable for all players.

Or at the very least, make it so they do not hinder the disarming of traps. Someone normally works hard to transcend a skill. To have it so easily nullified is just silly.

Avaer there is still time for the envoy report to try and remedy this right?? If it will not be fixed without using an envoy slot that is?



Oh and Estarra, what do you think about this whole situation??

I'm not sure it will make it onto the current report, all envoys have used their suggestion slots so far. The monthly reports are not good for this kind of minor adjustment either, we're more likely to favour gaping skill deficiencies over small fixes and balances.

Perhaps when the next major report is announced it will make it on. Otherwise, I'd rely on bug reports.

Wish they could confirm if it was a bug or not. Since now I will have to submit one every day... But I think they will become irate with me!!

Submit one everyday?

Submit -1- bug report, make it as detailed as possible, spamming bug reports that are all about the same bug only exacerbate the situation.

Sarcasm was what I was doing, I have submitted the bug report a week or two ago, along with others who have submitted the same thing... in the meantime while nothing is done, we are in limbo with a useless skill against the certain trackers walking around with favours. If it is a bug let us know... if it isn't a bug, let us know if it will be fixed or not so I can change specializations... why have a secondary skill that you cannot use against your main enemies. Its not like I run into this once every few months, more like once every few hours.

I detest that lazy ass people feel they are entitled to similar benefits as people who work for them. I offered nearly 2,500,000 essence to Terentia for a -3- day truefavor (it costs Terentia 300,000 essence to grant that). While I very much enjoy my TFs and I very much enjoy Terentia, your mindless propaganda that "Celestians" always have truefavors is nonsense and quite frankly, bs.

The only people, regardless of city/commune status, that have TFs constantly are people who offer millions of essence. This takes a lot of work and time - I imagine you have never in your history in Lusternia bashed up 2,500,000 essence in 5 days. Thus, you like 99% of the playerbase do not get truefavors because YOU DO NOT EARN THEM.

I've seen Fain, Charune, and Terentia TF people who offer absurd amounts of essence. I suggest you try it before you continue (as usual) to whine on forums about something where you largely fabricate/hallucinate the fine details surrounding whatever your random tangent of the moment is.