Personal attack much?

I suggest you check before making assumptions as usual, Narsrim. You might be unpleasantly surprised.


Also, you yourself have pointed out how easy it is to maintain truefavours as a standard defence. The reason I placed Celest above Magnagora and Serenwilde is because they appear to have two divine who are willing to reward certain amounts of offering with favours. That makes Celest different to Serenwilde, and much different to Glomdoring. Sorry, but a lot of insulting 'propaganda' directed in my direction won't make me wrong.

Narsrim, you sound like a pensioner.

Which adds a side of much needed (if unintended) comedy to your peculiar rantings.

Hey, TFs are cheaper than I thought. Maybe I should give out a list of people who deserve some. <.<

My opinion:

Gods should (Gasp!) be responsible when giving out favours.

People should never, and I repeat, never be allowed to stack favours, if that's even possible.

Giving people favours exclusively for offering massive amount of essence (Massive amounts of essence) is lame and in my opinion reduces gods from important roleplay devices to PvP tools. Favours should be given to people who do more than just hunt a lot. People who offer a lot of essence should never feel entitled to a favour, ever.

As a sidenote, I have never been favoured by a god whose Order I was a member of.

If that's the case, we can see a few things.

1) Favours should not 'upgrade' skills beyond Transcendant level
2) Favours should not stack at all
3) If people wants to have favours, then make a trigger for every # of essence offered you get a favour.
4) If none of the above will not be implemented then at least the affected skills gained from Favours should not stack so those only have one favour can have a chance to disable traps and other skills related to it.

Why don't you ask Marius how many TFs he's received from Viravain? And yes, Marius has offered millions and millions of essence.

You've made a lot of assumptions about laziness and failed to take situations other than your own into account.

Um I know this was not in response to me.. but to clarify a bit. I bashed easily more than 3m essence in 3 days when I was hunting for Demigod. That's how my 'perma' truefavour came to be. I don't care about hunting right now (I'm quite sick of it actually) but if I wanted to I -could- do that again. 1m a day, far from impossible.

Whether you earn a TF or not, whether a TF should boost skills above transcendant, I do think that no skill should be rendered useless just because someone else has that skill + TF. Divine blessings are a nice bonus, but they should not be -required- in combat, or more specifically to disarm traps of people who made them with a favour.

EDIT: Also.. I know how immensly sweet TF's are. I've hunted Astral with and without one and I've come to really apprciate them. However, I've also found that if you keep getting them for a while.. all the time.. how much of an every day thing they become. They don't feel like something special anymore, instead you come to expect them.

Personally, I feel that while it boosts the essence count of a Divine (and how much they are generally liked more often than not), it also makes favours more of a trivial thing. It's up to the Divine to decide whether they really want to express something if they give a favour, or go for a big essence hoard. (As I said, I know how damn sweet favours are, so I'm not going to side here either way ).

Let me see... I only got 2 TFs from Terentia, one when I made that post during Shamarah's reign and two, when we successfully raided Nil and took down 4 Demon Lords, never did I get TFs from offering, only thing I got is a Strong Favour from those offerings and that time I was offering a lot of Astral Creatures and gorgogs whenever Marinus is dead, that's already a lot.



And oh I've been offering a lot to Lord Fain and I haven't got any TFs from him, you just think that offering will make them happy and gain a TF. And 2,500,000 essence, not surprising since that you've scared everyone out and hogged Astral all to yourself. Perhaps you just care about yourself and don't give a damn to others.



Lazy ass people? For your information there are those who offer whether big or small. And how can we get 2,500,000 essence when you kill on sight and sending threats to us lesser people.



And who's the 1%? You only? Remeber you just don't get TFs just through offering, you can get it by doing others things that they approve and think you earned it. As Shayle said, "You've failed to take situations other than your own into account."

Oh, and people who ramble on about how only favours given to essence collectors are deserved need to die. Not everyone bashes like a machine, and not everyone is valuable to their Orders in that way. Particularly, it is silly, roleplay-wise, for a god to give favours to people who get essence and not favour people who bring lots of new members into the Order, write books about them, and generally spread the Order's roleplay and make it a more interesting, significant part of Lusternia. Luckily I haven't seen a single god act like that, although I have only ever been in one Order. I distinctly remember being favoured by Lacostian for contesting for Prince in Celest, and I'm pretty sure plenty of other people have been favoured for reasons not related to having too much time in their hands for bashing.

I've had far more favours in my time for intelligent newsposts, and clerical work than I've ever had for bashing. I suck at bashing. Especially at the moment.

There should be no truefavours for bashing at all, there's already karma for offerings. Moving skills bonus up to Truefavour and giving no more than Highfavour for essence could do the job.

Except that it's mostly up to the individual god to decide for what he or she favours.

For some Gods, it is a huge amount of essence for most peoples standards to get a Truefavour. 2m+ is probably worthy of it, I couldnt say for certain as I am not a God in Lusternia and do not possess the skills to be one, but saying you deserve to get favoured for just essence is just silly. And Im not even going to pretend to know how Gods work, I dont. However, I see more and hear more favours in Serenwilde and Magnagora come from doing good work around Org/Guild, participating in certain events, doing some things that go along with the RP instead of ego-stroking.

Im sorry for those in Glom, I cant comment enough on favours youve gotten. I very vaguely remember Viravain having contests, but thats all.

Yeah throw trackers on that list, just so they can disarm things



Yes that is possible.



Yea thats my only concern with favours, I don't care if I am fighting someone with 10 stacked TF's I just want to be able to use my skills

I have had many favours, hell I was running what you would probably call close to a "perma" TF for a while too... a long time back... (well a 50 day TF), I have also gained them by killing idiotic people that made Fain happy, and for helping orders/gods with things. If I had a TF now I would be arguing the same point, it shouldn't hinder anyone from using a skillset.

I am still kind of surprised not one divine has zeroed in on this thread to voice what they think of the matter

Then start offering to the one and only real god. Fain!

I shouldn't have to offer, I kill for Fain... I am his hitman... I popped Miriamele remember?

Viravain once explicitly said that she would never give out a favour for essence. I got many favours from her, and none of them were for bashing. I used to get tons of favours from Fain also, for bashing maybe 50 astral creatures.... One time, I realized that my best bet was to Talk nicely to Viravain, offer to Fain and offer to Elcyrion and get 3 favours at once.

It really felt very disrepectfull to the IC divine to play them like that.

Viravain did give out favours for essence, regular favours, not strong or high or true, just a favour. She did it at irregular intervals.

Towards the end of her existance, she would ask the Shadow Court to post contests for offering to her. Those would end in a TF, if I am not mistaken.

Other than that, Viravain gave out favours scarcely, for her own reasons. Shikari was a bit more liberal, and during his time about, Shayle was TF'd often, usually for non-offering reasons.

The trap thing is either a bug or a design flaw, but I can hardly believe it's how they intended it to be.


I once got a TF from Viravain while I was enemied to her order, though I don't remember why exactly. probably because I insulted Fain

And in total it makes for me

1 TF from Viravain
2 or 3 TFs from Terentia
6 TFs from Hajamin

and a bunch of strongfavours. So I suppose I'm one of those people that gets too many favours, but then when Hajamin TFed me I didn't feel special, when Viravain did I did feel special. So I'm all for less favours because I like feeling special.

Why not make it so that people at trans can disarm/dispell anyone's traps/illusions favor or not? Favors would still increase damage and hit chance but not make people without a favor worthless.