We are not going to implement restrictions on gods giving favours. It is up to the individual gods to develop their own personal style in that regard. I have no problem with gods giving out favours for essence gathering. It's a method of awarding mortals who work hard on their behalf. I think the issue here is how certain individuals want the gods to roleplay (favours would be more important if they were rarer--therefore, gods should be forced to roleplay with these restrictions to satisfy my opinion).

Are favours too powerful? Maybe, maybe not. But I can tell you that any argument you may make on the strength of favours evaporates when coupled with telling gods what they should or shouldn't do or how they should or shouldn't act. How would you feel if we started telling player orgs what they can or can't do, or tell players what their roleplay should be like?

Don't think of gods as mechanical aspects of the game. They are run by thinking and feeling volunteers, whom we allow the freedom to play their roles with a great deal of lattitude.

Um I know this was not in response to me.. but to clarify a bit. I bashed easily more than 3m essence in 3 days when I was hunting for Demigod. That's how my 'perma' truefavour came to be. I don't care about hunting right now (I'm quite sick of it actually) but if I wanted to I -could- do that again. 1m a day, far from impossible.

Whether you earn a TF or not, whether a TF should boost skills above transcendant, I do think that no skill should be rendered useless just because someone else has that skill + TF. Divine blessings are a nice bonus, but they should not be -required- in combat, or more specifically to disarm traps of people who made them with a favour.

EDIT: Also.. I know how immensly sweet TF's are. I've hunted Astral with and without one and I've come to really apprciate them. However, I've also found that if you keep getting them for a while.. all the time.. how much of an every day thing they become. They don't feel like something special anymore, instead you come to expect them.

Personally, I feel that while it boosts the essence count of a Divine (and how much they are generally liked more often than not), it also makes favours more of a trivial thing. It's up to the Divine to decide whether they really want to express something if they give a favour, or go for a big essence hoard. (As I said, I know how damn sweet favours are, so I'm not going to side here either way ).

We are not going to implement restrictions on gods giving favours. It is up to the individual gods to develop their own personal style in that regard. I have no problem with gods giving out favours for essence gathering. It's a method of awarding mortals who work hard on their behalf. I think the issue here is how certain individuals want the gods to roleplay (favours would be more important if they were rarer--therefore, gods should be forced to roleplay with these restrictions to satisfy my opinion).

Are favours too powerful? Maybe, maybe not. But I can tell you that any argument you may make on the strength of favours evaporates when coupled with telling gods what they should or shouldn't do or how they should or shouldn't act. How would you feel if we started telling player orgs what they can or can't do, or tell players what their roleplay should be like.

Don't think of gods as mechanical aspects of the game. They are run by thinking and feeling volunteers, whom we allow the freedom to play their roles with a great deal of lattitude.

The topic starter never asked the admin what to do, he asked if the problem of favours disabling an entire skill be looked at... it was others who turned it into the whine about Rp and favours stuff...

Favours are available, by gods that give them, to everyone in most cases. Charune for instance has favoured people in Magnagora, Celest, and Glomdoring. Using the excuse "they have more gods", or "we have no gods so can't get favours" is completely inaccurate. Offering to inactive gods will get you no favours, working hard for inactive orders will get you no favours. Gods notice things done for them and around them and give favours for that. Some give them more freely than others, but I have seen very few cases where someone was unable to get a favour except by their own decisions of RP.

Sorry sis, I have to call bs on that point. I'm sure you did offer an absurd amount, but the offerings weren't the major factor in it. That's all I'll say...

We are not going to implement restrictions on gods giving favours. It is up to the individual gods to develop their own personal style in that regard. I have no problem with gods giving out favours for essence gathering. It's a method of awarding mortals who work hard on their behalf. I think the issue here is how certain individuals want the gods to roleplay (favours would be more important if they were rarer--therefore, gods should be forced to roleplay with these restrictions to satisfy my opinion).

Are favours too powerful? Maybe, maybe not. But I can tell you that any argument you may make on the strength of favours evaporates when coupled with telling gods what they should or shouldn't do or how they should or shouldn't act. How would you feel if we started telling player orgs what they can or can't do, or tell players what their roleplay should be like.

Don't think of gods as mechanical aspects of the game. They are run by thinking and feeling volunteers, whom we allow the freedom to play their roles with a great deal of lattitude.

I think the original point of this thread was rather that some skills are rendered useless by divine favours. IE If Celestian A has transcendant hunting and a TF , Magnagoran B who has transcendant hunting can't remove traps because he doesn't have a TF.

I don't mind gods favour for their individual reasons, favours are up to them. But I do think that this specific issue with hunting should not happen. Boosting skills above transcendant and making them stronger is fine, but NOT if it renders the (transcendant) skill of someone else utterly useless.

Just my humble opinion.

And i totally agree with your opinion.

I've got one thing.

Favours are a privilege, not a right.

Several times, I come in, find a revolt, and join it. Five minutes into it, (it's happened twice), Charune's favored everyone helping in the village (high, strong) except me. Do I complain? No. Disconcerting, uncomfortable, something like that? Yes, but not enough to complain about it. It could have been a mistake, I may not have been their long enough, he may have missed me. I still don't complain.

I offer everything I can to him- I still get one, two day -NORMAL- favors because I'm not really the greatest hunter. I try to get my favors in a different way.

Again- favors are a privilege and can be given at the Divine's own discrection.

I had a truefavour during the village revolt yesterday, and Shorlen was having no difficulty buggering up my illusiory terrains. Maybe it's not as effective, illusions-wise, as this thread might seem to imply.