Who to worship?

by Bhiele

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Daganev2006-11-02 20:55:08
QUOTE(Noola @ Nov 2 2006, 12:36 PM) 349735

Ah, so it's an IC rule then? Why couldn't you just say "There's an IC rule in Glomdoring that you can only follow Gods who Patron our Guilds." or something like that? Is it so hard? I mean really. I'm not trying to be a smart-ass or anything. I understand about not wanting to break the line between IC and OOC, but saying OOCly that there is an IC rule, doesn't, in my opinion, do this and would save a lot of confusion - for me at least.



Meh, fine fine... I'll explain myself.

Its entierly possible for someone to be hidden in the background, not doing much and just be a follower of a god not of the divine consulate.

However, the ooc fact remains , that nomatter the RP that happens, that person will never beable to officially Bring that god into thier community. At some point in time, a person will have to decide bewteen Hajamin/Terentia and Serenwilde, for example. Or decide between Glomdoring and Fain, because eventually if the person becomes important enough, the two can't really mix.

Its not like you can ever follow a god, and hope that one day, others around you will accept that god and follow them with you.

I remember having that problem early on in the game with all the fain people in Serenwilde who Magnagora kept using to get people unenemied and bargained with etc etc.
Unknown2006-11-02 21:01:25
Simple.

Viravain hates Fain. He's a traitor, and after her possession, that was a big thing for Her. Not only that, but there was that whole "Try to take over Glomdoring and oust Viravain" thing that was done by a few people while his name was being thrown around.

Morgfyre is Fain's pet. Hence, he'd be out of the running to.

Charune is the Patron of Serenwilde, an org that has been continually brutal towards Glomdoring. So there's a bit of an innate bias there.

Seems pretty simple and reasonable to me.
Bhiele2006-11-02 21:07:15
QUOTE(Fallen @ Nov 2 2006, 09:01 PM) 349744

Simple.

Viravain hates Fain. He's a traitor, and after her possession, that was a big thing for Her. Not only that, but there was that whole "Try to take over Glomdoring and oust Viravain" thing that was done by a few people while his name was being thrown around.

Morgfyre is Fain's pet. Hence, he'd be out of the running to.

Charune is the Patron of Serenwilde, an org that has been continually brutal towards Glomdoring. So there's a bit of an innate bias there.

Seems pretty simple and reasonable to me.



This is the kind of information I was hoping for, the kind not readily found in their help files. Bhiele will just have to confirm some things IC and I'll be all sorted out. Thanks!
Daganev2006-11-02 21:08:05
QUOTE(Fallen @ Nov 2 2006, 01:01 PM) 349744

Not only that, but there was that whole "Try to take over Glomdoring and oust Viravain" thing that was done by a few people while his name was being thrown around.



Which by the way was a seperate movement than the pro Fain group.

Lots of fun and games back then.
Unknown2006-11-02 21:20:15
I'm surprised people even proposed Charune as a possibility. Didn't He explain once that the Wyrd is as much a part of Nature as weeds: yes, they're "natural", but you still want to rip them out?

There aren't a lot of options for your char to worship, Bhiele. Of the active Gods, only Lyreth might be viable, especially for a bard. Morgfyre would be an interesting choice, but would likely get you ostracised if you're caught at it. (Frankly, I don't think anyone outside of Mag has good justification to worship Morgfyre, awesome though He may be.) Of the inactive ones, Shikari and Raezon are great options, and I don't know enough about Lacostian and Elcyrion to comment. Most Glomdoring characters are so fanatic in their attachment to Glom, its Spirits, and its Divine, that it doesn't leave much room to worship any foreign ideal or power. Divided loyalties will come into play eventually, so consider whether that's an appealing scenario for you.

You may just want to wait and hope something happens with Glom's Divine situation.
Noola2006-11-02 21:24:02
Well, there was recently a call out for Empherials, wasn't there? So, maybe there'll be a new Divine sometime soon.
Bhiele2006-11-02 21:28:17
QUOTE(Noola @ Nov 2 2006, 09:24 PM) 349753

Well, there was recently a call out for Empherials, wasn't there? So, maybe there'll be a new Divine sometime soon.



I think I'm leaning towards the thorn beast.
Daganev2006-11-02 21:33:27
QUOTE(Bhiele @ Nov 2 2006, 01:28 PM) 349758

I think I'm leaning towards the thorn beast.


I like that idea alot.

Read VIEW BACKGROUND DAGANEV to find out why.
Noola2006-11-02 21:35:48
QUOTE(Bhiele @ Nov 2 2006, 03:28 PM) 349758

I think I'm leaning towards the thorn beast.


That sounds like a fun thing to do! Especially with a derth of viable Divine choices.
Anarias2006-11-02 22:32:37
What about Auseklis!?
Verithrax2006-11-02 23:08:52
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 2 2006, 05:16 PM) 349728

divine consulate means that Morgfyre can't patron the Harbingers.
It definitly would have been interesting to see what happened if Fain became a patron of a guild in Serenwilde and Glomdoring. Lisarea being the patron of another guild, and Lacostian being the patron of another seren guild, while also being patron of a guild in Celest, along with Hajamin and Isune.

I'm pretty sure thats what was abou to happen before the divine consulate got put in.

Personal patron != Org patron != Guild patron.

Orgs shouldn't restrict worship like they do, or, alternatively, it shouldn't be so easy to find out about someone's order affiliations.
Unknown2006-11-02 23:09:01
QUOTE(Bhiele @ Nov 2 2006, 03:28 PM) 349758

I think I'm leaning towards the thorn beast.


I do it.
Unknown2006-11-02 23:19:03
QUOTE(Fallen @ Nov 2 2006, 04:01 PM) 349744

Charune is the Patron of Serenwilde, an org that has been continually brutal towards Glomdoring. So there's a bit of an innate bias there.
Charune != Serenwilde, I really thought that would have been made clear by now, by him and by the Serenwilde, I guess he's still got that new-god smell on him and not everyone has figured him out yet though. The rest of the statement has holes in it as well, but I'll leave them be as I don't want to get into a flame-fest.
Noola2006-11-02 23:21:34
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Nov 2 2006, 05:08 PM) 349789

it shouldn't be so easy to find out about someone's order affiliations.


I agree with this. A person ought to be able to keep a membership in an org secret if they're sneaky enough. Statues and Totems should only be able to tune against city, guild and personal enemies, not orders or clans, IMO.
Anisu2006-11-02 23:21:40
QUOTE(Noola @ Nov 2 2006, 10:24 PM) 349753

Well, there was recently a call out for Empherials, wasn't there? So, maybe there'll be a new Divine sometime soon.

You can't really tell from that, emphs still have a bunch of training to go through, and most are selected for other emphs that leave.

I think Athana is accually a good option, what are the perks for me if I betray Terentia for Athana? pureevil.gif

Anarias: Auseklis hasn't been sighted for a long long time sad.gif

I'd say find out where those totems are in Glomdoring that check for enemy orders, then avoid them and join Fain's wink.gif
Xenthos2006-11-02 23:25:03
Fallen's overview, while (mostly) accurate, doesn't cover any of them completely, of course (though the explanation of Fain is pretty close tongue.gif). Should you want to know more, you still will want to ask ICly.

Shayle's likely the best choice for it, as she's been saying-- I do advise you to speak with her, even if you do want to worship the thorn beast.

Just keep in mind that the thornbeasts are always hungry, and will want to flay their followers. happy.gif

QUOTE(Anisu @ Nov 2 2006, 06:21 PM) 349800

I'd say find out where those totems are in Glomdoring that check for enemy orders, then avoid them and join Fain's wink.gif

Yeah, except totems are really easy to retune. Just ask some random Blacktalon to mod their totem for a day, switch to another the next.

We've not had a need to actually investigate in this manner yet, but should we ever need to, it's not very difficult.
Unknown2006-11-02 23:27:00
QUOTE(Noola @ Nov 2 2006, 06:21 PM) 349799

I agree with this. A person ought to be able to keep a membership in an org secret if they're sneaky enough. Statues and Totems should only be able to tune against city, guild and personal enemies, not orders or clans, IMO.
I've always felt that way too. Lusternia has never had a sneaky side to it, farscout, window, scry, scenting, scaning, some of those in enchantment form, astrogaze, simple thirdeye with 'who'. Invisibility being fully negated by thirdeye, save for enter/exit messages(or completely for forestals outside the forest). Now I'm not saying enemies should be able to sneak past guards, because they shouldn't, but it would be neat if there was more stealth involved in lusternia. A Ninja archetype or something, with skills which hide them unless you 'search', among other things. *is watching to much Naruto lately* blush.gif ooh, they could even share acrobatics with bards, but instead of having the music skill they'd have a super-sneaky skill, or some such. frenzy.gif
Anisu2006-11-02 23:35:39
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Nov 3 2006, 12:25 AM) 349802

We've not had a need to actually investigate in this manner yet, but should we ever need to, it's not very difficult.

the point of being in an order in secret is that you don't act suspecious..... and really my alt spend a few weeks in Celest being a member to a banned order with several statues tuned against it, you just avoid as many totems/statues as possible, and go to your nexus when nobody is there tongue.gif
Gandal2006-11-02 23:54:16
By the way, what does search do, anyway?
Anisu2006-11-02 23:58:58
QUOTE(Gandal @ Nov 3 2006, 12:54 AM) 349818

By the way, what does search do, anyway?

it allows people without thirdeye to find hidden people in the room (I think, I have always had thirdeye...)