Monk bashing is a LOT worse than warrior bashing at the top end. Warrior bashing seems to be by far the best at the top end, actually. And you don't need fantastic warrior weaps to pass everyone else in pve from what I understand about how they work, though armour might be another matter. Even if you did, you can bash with suboptimal weapons while they're being forged (or just not bash at all and thus the week doesn't really count.)
As for the lower levels, you have always been able to hit level 50 in a couple RL days from the portal on most classes if you put your mind to it. 50-80 is similarly not a huge amount of time. The last bit also goes quicker if Thoros (warrior) bashes you by draining several Astral nodes like he did for Lanfayr and Revan.
100% wrong.
Go take a look at how fast Kaervas bashes Astral with rushing. Sickening.
Shiri2008-05-21 13:03:38
Well, I don't have rushing, so for the other half of monks and the other 95% of areas, it's 100% true.
Xenthos2008-05-21 13:10:21
QUOTE(Shiri @ May 21 2008, 09:03 AM) 514197
Well, I don't have rushing, so for the other half of monks and the other 95% of areas, it's 100% true.
Actually, I'd still dispute it (especially now that Champion helms have been fixed) otherwise. Unless strength has been re-enabled as something that drastically impacts warrior bashing again, at least. From my testing, I wasn't killing any faster than others with magic attacks would be-- the main difference was raze vs. waiting for the NPC to drop its shield (which a monk doesn't even have to worry about).
That was with 15 strength, however.
Shiri2008-05-21 13:12:59
It's not even that you kill faster (which warriors still do actually, except in group bashing where the monks look like they win due to skive) - it's that you're much much tankier and can take on larger groups without having to run, die or give up altogether.
Xenthos2008-05-21 13:16:07
QUOTE(Shiri @ May 21 2008, 09:12 AM) 514200
It's not even that you kill faster (which warriors still do actually, except in group bashing where the monks look like they win due to skive) - it's that you're much much tankier and can take on larger groups without having to run, die or give up altogether.
Tankier in terms of raw health, but warriors (just as monks) have differing amounts of tankiness depending on skill choices. For example, take Stealth monks with psymet and splendor robes. Enough DMP and it can easily surpass a warrior's tankiness, especially to non-physical things. As to killing faster, I still dispute that with my own testing (that I've already posted elsewhere on the forums). The major difference is raze & skive.
Shiri2008-05-21 13:24:30
A stealth monk with psymet and splendour robes will still not surpass a warrior's tankiness (EDIT: MAYBE if the warrior is a tracker. I doubt it though. And certainly not for the usual specs.) A harmony acrobat with any other tradeskill won't even come close. And I dispute your disputing from experience, particularly with bashing with Shuyin (and sometimes Rika/Akui.)
Xenthos2008-05-21 13:29:19
QUOTE(Shiri @ May 21 2008, 09:24 AM) 514203
A stealth monk with psymet and splendour robes will still not surpass a warrior's tankiness (EDIT: MAYBE if the warrior is a tracker. I doubt it though. And certainly not for the usual specs.) A harmony acrobat with any other tradeskill won't even come close. And I dispute your disputing from experience, particularly with bashing with Shuyin (and sometimes Rika/Akui.)
Stag? Crow? Necromancy, on things that are more non-physical? By the way, Sojiro's bashing speed was significantly nerfed recently when the helm was changed (about a 33% reduction in damage to NPCs).
Shiri2008-05-21 13:30:43
How long ago was that again? If it was more than like a week then I've already taken that into account (and other warriors I bash with weren't affected anyway.)
Xenthos2008-05-21 13:34:00
QUOTE(Shiri @ May 21 2008, 09:30 AM) 514205
How long ago was that again? If it was more than like a week then I've already taken that into account (and other warriors I bash with weren't affected anyway.)
It was about two weeks ago, I think. Maybe three. Don't remember exactly, but it was a very large drop (surprised me that the thing had that much effect on hunting).
Unknown2008-05-21 15:27:11
QUOTE(Shiri @ May 21 2008, 03:30 AM) 514178
As for the lower levels, you have always been able to hit level 50 in a couple RL days from the portal on most classes if you put your mind to it. 50-80 is similarly not a huge amount of time. The last bit also goes quicker if Thoros (warrior) bashes you by draining several Astral nodes like he did for Lanfayr and Revan.
Not to say the L word or anything but did you see how often Revan was getting killed? I wish I could take those kinds of risks. Also can't all monks do rushing? I thought there was an acro skill that did the same thing, and I always thought it was more of a PvP thing.
Still Congrats Revan, you went up like 10 levels or something in the last few weeks? That is some serious dedication. Mag went from having no demi-gods active for a month or so to suddenly having a bunch come back and a few people powered up to almost there. I think celest is going to be hurting this next month.
I need to figure out the whole aetherspace thing so I can be out of range of the calls to defend
Diamondais2008-05-21 15:30:51
You pick Acrobatics over Psymet if I remember correctly.
Shiri2008-05-21 15:33:04
The L word has a lot to do with it, yeah. They never have to walk back to a bashing ground either, they just def up on the spot and go back at it.
And no, not all monks can do rushing. Acro monks (and psymet is generally better for bashing) can use a worse, 10p version. Rushing - which is ninjakari/nekotai only - is only 3p (though it lasts a shorter time) so you can time it judiciously and it's also easier to maintain while linking at a node.
Kharaen2008-05-21 15:39:14
Raving thread, not ranting >>
Unknown2008-05-21 16:15:06
My rave is...
... to people who actually RP!
Yay for characters with personalities!
Casilu2008-05-21 16:22:49
Myrkr: for not snubbing me despite all the weirdness.
Unknown2008-05-21 16:24:32
QUOTE(casilu @ May 21 2008, 12:22 PM) 514229
Myrkr: for not snubbing me despite all the weirdness.
Casilu: For making awkward albeit different and interesting RP.
Unknown2008-05-21 19:29:25
Monk bashing is awesome. I just fail to see how anyone can possibly complain about it not being awesome. I bash about 30% more Kephera as a level 94 Nekotai than I did as a level 94 Ebonguard (and I don't use Rushing). I can't believe people actually ranted when monk bashing was nerfed, because it must have been pure ridiculousness before.
Unknown2008-05-21 20:01:29
Monk bashing definitely beats warrior bashing at the high end, given how many people are suddenly Titaning really quickly, on top of other things like autoraze. All warriors have going for them is tankiness mainly. This isn't to say that warrior bashing sucks, it's awesome (death event rankings only prove that further).
Also, I've been bashing with speed wounders since forever (I used them when I won the Death event, at least!), so whatever bashing speed I had, I had it without having max speed weapons, heh.
Rave: I've finally finished forging my super fullplates, 110/106, 124/83 and 82/122, huzzah.
Ixion2008-05-21 20:53:16
Warrior tankiness is also a myth in many cases.
An increasing number of mobs do non-physical damage, negating the plate armour benefit. Generalizing warriors is illogical too, as the difference in damage felt between a night/moon warrior and a tracking one is extreme.
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