Saddam Hussein: Death by hanging

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Arix2006-11-05 21:53:15
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I think my punishment is worse. It might even fall under the heading of cruel and unusual punishment to be honest.


Maybe you should throw some Yoko in there, her music causes rectal bleeding
Unknown2006-11-05 22:00:46
QUOTE(Nepthysia d'Iasani @ Nov 5 2006, 09:41 PM) 351156
Screw sitting on your arse in a prison, getting free cable, getting a free education, working out, and generally not doing a damn thing to repay your debt to society for the rest of your pathetic lil life.


Yes, because killing someone revives all their victims and repays all their damages.

I dislike the prison system a great deal and think it really needs to be revamped to be more efficient and less costly, but killing the inmates isn't a very good solution.
Unknown2006-11-05 22:01:02
QUOTE(Nepthysia d'Iasani @ Nov 5 2006, 01:41 PM) 351156
thinggy on how the death sentence is a good thing


I concur! Our prisions are getting overrun, so people who have done major crimes(i.e. serial killers, and that sort) should be killed my opinion.
Xavius2006-11-05 22:03:30
QUOTE(Reiha @ Nov 5 2006, 12:58 PM) 351099

Death penalty hasn't done anything to deter or significantly reduce our murder rates in the U.S. in comparison to European countries without the death penalty. And it's not like everyone dies happily in prison, so maybe one should think of it as a delayed "execution".


Felt the need to address this. The more severely instituted the death penalty is, the more dramatic the fall in capital crimes, all other things being equal. The US death penalty is pretty wishy-washy...and for good reason, mind you. Compare this to China, where there's a van waiting for you out back to kill you very shortly after your trial, and where you can be killed for a wider range of offenses, and you notice a much larger difference.

Murder rates in the EU are low because it's near impossible to own a gun, which makes murder much less of a science. The US Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms with the express purpose of killing people, should the need arise. Killing British oppressors is a bit of a pasttime for us.
yendos2006-11-05 22:04:09
QUOTE(Dead @ Nov 5 2006, 05:00 PM) 351169

Yes, because killing someone revives all their victims and repays all their damages.


And that person sititng in a prison, being fed and paid for by the families and friends of their victims does?
Gandal2006-11-05 22:06:10
I thought Saddam was tried in Iraqi courts...

And about the death penalty, not sure if it's right or not, but consider this - it wasn't eye for an eye for dictators, it was eye for 2,000+ eyes.
Daganev2006-11-05 22:13:15
QUOTE(Asarnil @ Nov 5 2006, 01:50 PM) 351160

I think my punishment is worse. It might even fall under the heading of cruel and unusual punishment to be honest.


The sad part, is that it does. sad.gif

Anything outside of a fine or community service or jail time, is "curel and unusual"... Infact, I bet if you did that you would be outright accused of torture.
Unknown2006-11-05 22:18:16
QUOTE(yendos @ Nov 5 2006, 10:04 PM) 351174

And that person sititng in a prison, being fed and paid for by the families and friends of their victims does?


Neither does. If they're a murderer, nothing does.

I believe that some people are just so twisted and generally ****ed up that they need to be 'put down', so to speak, but it shouldn't be something we do lightly or often, or revel in.
Unknown2006-11-05 22:29:22
QUOTE(Sarvasti @ Nov 5 2006, 11:01 PM) 351170

I concur! Our prisions are getting overrun, so people who have done major crimes(i.e. serial killers, and that sort) should be killed my opinion.

That kind of reasoning is very disturbing... the value of life shouldn't be subjective, or at least it certainly shouldn't depend on something as unrelated as the state of infrastructure. "10 years ago when we had room for prisoners he didn't deserve to die for his crimes, now our prisons are getting full, it's alright to kill him"?
Ashteru2006-11-05 22:31:21
QUOTE(Sarvasti @ Nov 5 2006, 11:01 PM) 351170

I concur! Our prisions are getting overrun, so people who have done major crimes(i.e. serial killers, and that sort) should be killed my opinion.

How about we kill anyone who does anything criminal. smile.gif We wouldn't even need prisons then, anymore.
Daganev2006-11-05 22:38:34
In the bible, there are no such things as prisons.

People who commit murder on accident, go to cities of refuge instead.

Everything is either a fine, exile, or death.
Kharaen2006-11-05 23:03:08
QUOTE(Sarvasti @ Nov 5 2006, 05:01 PM) 351170

I concur! Our prisions are getting overrun, so people who have done major crimes(i.e. serial killers, and that sort) should be killed my opinion.


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Wow, people really do think like this :/ I think my depression just got worse...shocked, just shocked...
Reiha2006-11-05 23:18:04
QUOTE(Xavius @ Nov 5 2006, 02:03 PM) 351173

Felt the need to address this. The more severely instituted the death penalty is, the more dramatic the fall in capital crimes, all other things being equal. The US death penalty is pretty wishy-washy...and for good reason, mind you. Compare this to China, where there's a van waiting for you out back to kill you very shortly after your trial, and where you can be killed for a wider range of offenses, and you notice a much larger difference.

Eh, so China has a lower rate than the US on paper? And this policy has helped and done good for everyone?


QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 5 2006, 02:38 PM) 351188

In the bible, there are no such things as prisons.

People who commit murder on accident, go to cities of refuge instead.

Everything is either a fine, exile, or death.

Not sure what this has to do with anything... and there were not 'prisons' like we have today, but there were still prisons.
Daganev2006-11-05 23:52:23
QUOTE(Reiha @ Nov 5 2006, 03:18 PM) 351200

Not sure what this has to do with anything... and there were not 'prisons' like we have today, but there were still prisons.



No, there were not any prisons. No Jails, no dungeons, no facilities to hold people.

My point was to give some perspective without writing a full page article on the subject.

I mention the bible, because lots of western civilization law has sources in the Bible.
Reiha2006-11-05 23:57:51
Daganev2006-11-06 00:06:11
hmm...

Ok, in the legal system set up in the bible, i.e. leviticus there were no punishments of going to prison.
Nepthysia2006-11-06 00:23:27
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Nov 5 2006, 05:31 PM) 351186

How about we kill anyone who does anything criminal. smile.gif We wouldn't even need prisons then, anymore.


Im really quite unforgiving when it comes to crimes like murder. I'd have 0 problem killing off every murderer, rapist, and molester around the globe.

QUOTE(Dead @ Nov 5 2006, 05:18 PM) 351183

Neither does. If they're a murderer, nothing does.

I believe that some people are just so twisted and generally ****ed up that they need to be 'put down', so to speak, but it shouldn't be something we do lightly or often, or revel in.


I'd say executing them and using those tax dollars on something else is a better situation than letting them live and paying for it. happy.gif


See this is why that test damned me to the lowest circle of hell lol. Some people just deserve to die sleep.gif Leaders who go around killing anyone who doesn't agree with them are near the top of that list.
Unknown2006-11-06 00:38:17
I don't get the primarily US views on state-sanctioned killing, it's just bizarre to me. Maybe it's because they have the highest incarceration rate per capita of most developed countries, and they're thrifty.

Also, capital punishment is -phenomenally- flawed because there are few governments who can actually claim to be acting ethically, fairly and in the best interests of individuals and society in deciding other people's deaths. Hell, that's what the whole trial was about - Saddam exercising capital punishment against what we would call innocent people. How many did he kill? Does it compare to 45,354?
Kharaen2006-11-06 00:45:19
QUOTE(Nepthysia d'Iasani @ Nov 5 2006, 07:23 PM) 351217

Im really quite unforgiving when it comes to crimes like murder. I'd have 0 problem killing off every murderer, rapist, and molester around the globe.


Then you'd gladly become that which you condemn - a murderer. You ARE aware that there many people who get convicted and sent to jail only to latter be proven as innocent? Innocents would be killed in the mix of the other wrong doers.

Since I've been a victim of crime myself, I think I have a justified opinion on this, and I'd think of not wanting what's been done to me to be repeated to another. Even if it was the person who did it to me. This includes murder. If I'm killed, I don't want my killer killed after me (and thank goodness, I'm Canadian, that WON'T happen.) It'd be doubling the original mistake. I'm sure you've heard the expression 'two wrongs don't make a right.'

That many people have thoughts of mass exodus kind of frightens me.
Nementh2006-11-06 00:47:30
The death sentance is not about punishing the criminal, its about preventing him from doing it again, and preventing tax payers from keeping SCUM alive. In most states, the requirements are SO HIGH to even warrent a Death Sentenance, and they have so much time to contest the ruling, it is rare that someone who does not actually deserve makes it there.

Now, in reference to Saddam, it is a political move. As long as Saddam is in prison, he has a chance to rise to power again. He has commited crimes comperable to the crimes of Nazi Germany... just on a smaller scale. This is a fact that NO ONE not even the 'liberal americans' try to contest. It also puts a powerful message out to the rebels in Iraq. The general popular outcry from the Iraqi citizens show that they are tired of this crap, and they do blame Suddam and his followes. Publically hanging him only accents their weariness with would be opressors.

Saddam has ordered Americans killed, he has ordered his own country men killed, he has done all the classic dictator crimes. Let him rot.