Don't say something completely random under the auspices of being related in an attempt to win this argument.

P.S Whoever said I judged the Romans? I've got no views on their gladiatorial fun. I just like the literature.

The fact that you think its random, just validates my point.

The fact that no one* else can understand you, invalidates yours.






or at least me.

Why do you have to make everything personal?

I think making judgements on people's charachter as racist because of a film that deliberatly humilates people for the sake of others enjoyment is pretty asanine. And I think further suggesting that someone support such activities just so they can "judge" them, is even worse.

Evidence is evidence, no matter what the circumstances.

Just because you see it in a movie, doesn't make it real, or evidence.

You further confirm why making and supporting such films is just wrong.

Lets all start entraping people and making up false situations and destroying people's lives because we think we can make a buck and have a few people laugh... Great idea!

I win this argument because:

1) I can't prove you exist, therefore your arguments are nul and void.

2) Because you live in America

3) Because I have posted last on this thread.

Who cares about people as long as you win an argument, right?

Which by the way, no argument exists... all I said is that the success of the movie embarasses me.

I'm afraid it's a little below the belt... but I refer you to Palestine.

What exactly are you refering to?

I'm sure you couldn't possibly be refering to people trying to protect thier own lives.

Catfight! *mrowr*

Not sure what this thread has turned into, but I saw the movie last week and I loved it. It was immature humour, yes, but it points out the flaws in Americans with aplomb. I think it is hilarious that the frat boys are trying to sue, they are just embarassed they were caught on tape.

But his point, and whole arguement, is that your assuming things about a movie based on rumors and lawsuits (like movies and rumors, not all lawsuits should be taken seriously) and not on actually seeing it, which is prejudging.



And by the way that was a very vauge point at best, and people getting eaten by lions is much worse then people making an ass of themselves.

I am not assuming anything based on rumors and lawsuits. The movie embarasses me. The public glorification of humiliating people embarasses me. Mocking real life people, embarasses me. And when these acts are associated with someone from my people it embarasses me even more.

I wouldn't expect some people here to understand, but embarassing a person, to where they go white in the face, and have to turn thier whole lives upside down, is probably worse than physically beating them.

Those people did it to themselves though. Who cares if they thought they were talking to a foreign reporter (as they were told) that is the way they CHOSE to represent themselves. No one told that old redneck man to become gleeful at the prospect of murdering homosexual men. No one told those stupid Chi Psi boys to comment on how wonderful it would be to have slaves again.

Are you so sure?

I heard on some interview that they had something like 40 days of footage to work from. Who knows how many frats they interviewed untill they found some group willing to say thier spoonfed lines?

I know the daily show does it all the time. You can see it in some of thier live episodes.


Again, there are so many examples of movies taking people out of context or making them say and do things they didn't and wouldn't have done if not preasured to for the sake of being infront of a camera.

I remember in my documentary class we had a three day debate on if you can ever have people infront of a camera and not act differently, hidden or otherwise.


For the record, I never liked the TV show Candid camera for the same reason. But atleast in that show the people knew by the end of the hour what was going on. These frat guys for example didn't know they were going to be in a U.S. movie untill Millions of people allready saw them.

Anyway. Borat was hilarious.

The conference...

... the Wedding Sack...

Cheers to the producers!

Well, anyone who was embarrassed and/or fired for this will probably win some nice settlement for it. Then, they'll probably be able to appear on a few tv talk shows and tell their sad story about how the movie duped them into revealing themselves as jerks/fools. Then they might even write a book about it.

They'll get their 15 in the limelight and if they're smart, make a buck or three doing so. I don't feel sorry for them, and your sanctimoniousness won't change that. Maybe it makes me a terrible person, I don't know. But if someone acts like a jackass, I'm gonna laugh at them. If I act like a jackass, I fully expect someone will laugh at me. And you know what? It's more unlikely I'll be able to bank on it like these frat guys are doing.

I've just realised that on this thread I'm taking an Oscar Wilde approach to humour while simultaneously taking the Daganev/Francis Bacon antithesis on the Quotes 3 thread. Perhaps this makes me compulsively argumentative. Hmmmmm.

While I do understand Daganev's point about profitting at the expense of others...well, it seems to me that in these situations, the repercussions were deserved.

Daganev, you seem to be of the mind that all people are innately 'good' and worth our respect and goodwill. I, however, am not of a like mind. Some people truly deserve every bit of ill fortune that falls their way. Sure, it's unfortunate for those two frat boys that their opinions were made so widely known. However, those opinions remain exactly what they were before Cohen came along. Their opinions. You claim that the movie producers would've continued to look for jackasses to fill these roles, but the fact remains that the jackasses were there long before the producers found them.

I actually would applaud Cohen for exposing such people for who they really were, and I'm more ashamed to call myself an American, knowing that there are many other Americans like those two boys out there.

The fact that the legal system will be used to defend these two boys pisses me off. Sometimes I think that the worst thing that ever happened to humanity was progress itself. We are now at a stage wherein natural selection has a very insignificant impact on evolution, and cultural institutions have been established to protect/empower/aid the idiots, bigots, and other fools out there. Enough with the obvious danger signs, warning labels, liability exclusion clauses, and other nonsense. If you don't want to sound like a jackass, don't open your mouth, and especially not in front of a video camera. If you die while skydiving, don't sue the skydiving company (well, someone else would have to sue in your stead).

Do these opinions make me sound heartless? Maybe. Do I care? Not really. It greatly bothers me that all of this bullshit comes at the expense of those among us who realize that coffee is hot and, when spilled, can cause serious burns.

EDIT: Oops, went on a bit of a rant there... Anyways, I'm very much looking forward to seeing this movie.