Actually, it would sort of make sense if shouting was a really low skill in planar (or a higher up, whatever) that cost maybe 6 or 7 power to "shout" across the Basin. That would stop people from shouting in quick succession, make it slightly more RP intelligent, and something you might want to think about just a little before doing.

Its RP justification could be that it isn't so much that your lungs are uber, but a form of global aethercast.

Then Titans/Demigods could be able to shout for real, without costing power.

An example of something I find annoying about shouts:

Captain Girda Starhopper shouts, "Ack, the fishy buggers are here too? That's not good news at all!"
Tully, Janitor of the Basin shouts, "What where?"
Tully, Janitor of the Basin shouts, "Ye knows don't know how to speak high divine, do ye?"

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I mean, come on. It's a captain of a ship.

Not EVERYTHING needs to be shouted. Especially when it comes to events. :/

In this particular case, I was hoping that person could give us a HINT. (I didn't realize it was a trigger statement).

I take particular ire about complaints about the shouts during this event. This is a WORLDWIDE EVENT that's gonna destroy us--I have no community, and I've been trying to help people even if it's just being a port target. This event is exactly why we have shouts.

This event is remarkable in that there are so many NPCs being active... who are *ACTUAL CHARACTERS*. Not god-like beings with immense knowledge, but normal characters trying to live their lives. Rowena, Brennan, this captain... they don't have hints, but they're being active and visible.

I find this refreshing.

Normal characters don't have hidden wisdom. They don't have hints. You could try walking to the Captain and speaking, but shouting about it serves little purpose except as a nuisance, especially when it's obvious that Normal Character knows nothing.

And I'm sorry if you take ire about this... it doesn't make the shouts any less annoying or any more helpful.

The Gnomes have higher technology than us mortals. Let's remember that Gnome ships and technology are somewhat beyond our knowledge.

Think what you want Xenthos. But if you don't like my shouts, just snub me or turn 'em off.

Snubbing you doesn't stop your shouts, alas.

And not listening to ANY shouts because yours annoy me is not likely to happen... as, unfortunately, there are sometimes shouts that I do need to hear, though most of them are rubbish.

1&2 are fine in my opinion, to a point. Nothing wrong with a few big talkers butting heads. Though after a while, it does get moronic.

I don't see anything wrong with 3, at all. Engagements, birthdays, weddings, etc are exciting, and should be shared, as they are in real life. These shouts tend to be brief anyways, and make a happy event happier.

4, maybe a little pointless, but eh, whatever. Just one shout, rarely a responce. And hailing a Divine is perfectly reasonable in rp. OOCly they might not give a hoot, but Gods command respect, and hailing them upon appearing is pretty harmless.

Just lighten up, eh?

Tully, Janitor of the Basin shouts, "Just to fill in those of you who haven't been answered--we are working to translate the High Divine speech from this spire. We need to create crystals in Aetherspace, but we need to figure the right composition from this. We still need more corpses to create them."

And see, this one's actually useful and beneficial. There's no reason to ignore something like this, as it's helpful to everybody.

It isn't that big a deal to me really, I just gave my opinion. I knew someone would hate it.

I don't have a problem with shouts. To paraphrase Anaria - SHOUTSOFF is your friend.

On the other hand, I do wish they were a little more immersive than a worldwide chat channel. I don't understand why you can hear someone from the other side of the world (unless they are a Demigod or God). I'd love a system where increasing level meant your shout ranged from just your local area, to adjacent areas, to two areas away, etc, with your voice progressively becoming weaker as it gets further. Your shout might sound vibrant to people in your city, but to those across two oceans it is going to sound at most like a whisper. If you wanted to SHOUT TO (someone), you could direct your voice to their area alone, but it would be more taxing in endurance.

Meh, since that won't happen, shouts are fine. I'd rather something than nothing.

Apparently my sarcastic net-speak didn't come across like I intended. My point was people who just tell you to turn shouts off are akin to the people that stand at the edge of a public pool and urinate freely into the deep end all the while hollering that if you don't like that you can get out of the pool.

Its a pet peeve.

And if you're a rogue you made the choice to not have channels. If you regret that choice or just want to have your cake and eat it too, I've little sympathy.

And another thing. Shouts don't make weddings or engagements any more special then the disappointments-to-be that they already are. Yell it if you have to but guess what? I'm not a citizen of Magnagora or Celest or Glomdoring. I generally don't give a about who's getting engaged in any of those places. When you shout, you're shouting to me whether you think that or not. All the people who give a crap about your lame wedding are already on your city/commune channel and even most of them would rather jab a q-tip in your ear then listen to your inane shouting.


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So that's what happens when you bottle stuff up.

I got the sarcasm, and yet decided that the function was appropriate if people are so greatly disturbed by shouting.

It seems logical to me. If you dislike shouts enough that you would prefer them removed entirely (and thus would never use them yourself), and there is a way to effectively remove them without detracting from anyone else's experience, why not use it? You can still hear God shouts with shoutsoff, as far as I am aware.

I find your analogy, frankly, offensive. And its not what I expect from you.

Somebody missed his nap today

His(her?) analogy was offensive but apt!

The one good thing about shouting goodbye was that I got to say goodbye to Marina and tell her about Lacostian. If I had logged off without saying that, I might have missed her.

Well, Tully, the the play-by-play shouts are kind of annoying, but the summary shouts are useful. *shrug*

If we had to go with shouts or without them, I'd go without. If we went level 80, or titan or something, that might be ok too.

I think Shouts are fine. If I'm shouting to congratulate someone on something, it would alert the people who might want to know but were not told (acquaintances, people who were left out or just curous people). In Glom, we don't announce weddings or stuff on the official channels... It'd get us flogged if anything. I only find Shouts excessive if two people start arguing about something between themselves for a while (2 people, take it to tells). If there's more people, let's just call it role-play and tolerate it a bit (as long as it's not just LOLZGOKILURSELF). You don't expect Serens and Gloms to meet up and argue in a group in the same room, do you?

Of course this is just my opinion... I've never shouted much but I find them pretty entertaining to watch sometimes if there's some actual convo besides "Stupid fish!" "Tainted scum!" etc the whole few minutes.

Joy joy happy happy. So there -are- people that don't hate me



And Anaria, wheeing in the public pool and shouting are WAY different. The public pool is used by people, and by taking a leak in it these people are getting the bad end of someone's antisociality. Shouts aren't used by many people, nor is it important to listen to them according to many that are annoyed with it.

Go shouts! If you dun like it, dun listen to it!

This thread was never intended to be a flame towards certain individuals Just a chance to take a step back and look at the shouting system and how it effects rp and the game. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the old shouting system (achaea?) have it so that you had to be a really high level in order for people to actually identify who is saying what? Or was the recognition skill always so low in discernment?

Actually, Achaea started where ANYBODY could shout, including fresh-faced novices from the portal. (I remember calling Eris (aka Estarra) a "damn tart"). Some time later the made it level required.

Sarapis setup the ramhorn system because in that game there was too much OOC and silly shouts, not because shouts in general are bad.

Yes, recognition is lower skilled here, but in Achaea they'd bypass that by tagging the shouts at the end. I think recognizing the shouts are better because they require one to be responsible for what they say.