From what I understand:

-Credit transfers to your own characters from a credit purchase is okay, i.e. splitting a recent ooc purchase between your alts.

-Transferring credits obtained in the game to another one of your alts is not allowed. For that matter, transferring credits to another player in another game with credits gained IC wouldn't be allowed either. In principle.

-The admins -can- track all credits, I remember Roark saying that.

-Gold transfers between games, or between alts is not allowed. If you wanted to be especially sneaky, I suppose you -could- just give gold to a character on one game, and your character from another game -could- just recieve an equal amount on another game, and there'd be no way to link those up, but if you post it on the forums, we're going to tell you it's a no-no in principle, theory, or reality

Honestly, where do you get that from?

Even if I look at HELP CREDITTRANSFERS it doesn't say -anything- about realm transfers, credit or otherwise. And if your characters in the different games don't relate and don't count as seconds then I don't see where the violation would be.

And as has been stated before, you can just buy credits with your gold, realm trade them, then sell them again. You'd get almost the same in green, except that credit prices vary so you -might- come out with more gold (or less).

Yes, Richter is wrong about the trading of IC credits from one game to another. It is allowed by the admins. We've asked them in no uncertain terms, and they've given us the go ahead. I've traded around 3,000 credits from Achaea to Lusternia, but not before getting approval from IRE, and I've not yet purchased a single credit in either game with real money.

As far as I know, IRE games work separately. It's only logical that if I transfer credits or give items to another character in Lusternia, why would administration care if, or what she promised me in return in another game (or, in general, out of game).

The Oneiroi can't spell 'independent'.

I have a question too.

I have an alt, a herbalist.
And my question is, can Ekard buy from him ?
Like by mail? So no two logins at same time. Herbs price would be at same rate as i sell to other players?

99% sure that's a no.
If it's from your shop though, that might be allowed. Not sure.

You're definitely not allowed to trade items between characters on the same game, whether you're logged in with both at the same time or not. The only exception is credits obtained OOCly.

Aiakon.. I want to have your problems.. seriously...


You just made me laugh out loud.

The offer still stands since nowhere it says it can't be done between two independent players. Or if you prefer i'll buy credits off the credit market and trade those for Lusternia credits since Oneiroi pointed out that it is allowed.

On the credits issue, this should clear things up pretty simply. From IRE's website at http://www.ironrealms.com/payment-faq.html..._between_games:

That probably refers to the fact that there is no automated way to transfer credits from one game to another. You can't just enter a command and move them over yourself. You need a third party. They should probably clarify the answer in that FAQ to include their policy on trading between games when other people are involved, since they've answered issues and e-mails fairly consistently saying that it's allowed.

Yeah, that answer is true. You can't transfer credits between games. It ain't possible.

I think some things are rather self-explanatory. I hate to necro an old thread, but some degrees of idiocy inspire it. If you can't freely transfer ICly gained credits, what makes you think you can freely transfer IC goods? There is no grey area regarding gold. It is an IC construct.

Degrees of idiocy? You're speaking to people who HAVE transferred credits between games, people who have received permission from the IRE admins no less.

The answer I received from IRE:

Because it's completely and wholly ooc to transfer goods (including gold) to another character, yours or another's, between games? On the topic of alts, Visaeris was shrubbed for sending gold to his alt within the same game.

And you can argue with this as much as you want, and I'll accept the administration's words otherwise, but it was once explained to me that ooc credits can be transferred between characters, your own or other people's, even between games. Credits gained IC'ly cannot be transferred to one of your alts. However, it was stated by Roark, that although they can track credits, it's a pain in the rear, and really no one would bother with it.

Since I stopped trying to be a teeny metagamer that I was in Aetolia years ago, I only transfer ooc credits to alts or other players. I don't deal with trying to trade gold or goods between games, because whether it's allowed or not, what sense does it make for you to have all of a sudden gained all of this new stuff? It doesn't.

I thought I remembered hearing that same thing from Roark, and from Achaea admin.

Still, it does seem like the Lusternia admin have pretty consistently said that they'll accept this as legal. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, and I haven't issued myself to double-check, but from what I've seen it may be technically legal. I don't like the idea, but I suppose there's not much we can do in that regard.

Actually, you haven't. You struck an OOC deal with OOC commodities. It is impossible to transfer credits between games. Like...completely so.

There is no hard-coded mechanic that a single person can use to say TRANSFER (n) CREDITS TO (game), if that's what you're on about. What I did do, however, is strike an OOC deal with someone to swap their credits and mine, effectively moving my credits from one game to another.

I still can't believe this thread has gotten as much attention as it has for this long.

Well think of it this way, I can walk up to Tonbee's char any day and hand him 250,000 gold for no reason. It is completely legal


So that being said, there is no way to stop it anyways. I wouldn't consider gold trading really illegal.... I mean I have forged weapons for Sintor and when he is on imperian he helps me with places to bash. and map id #'s ....


Since it isn't help seconds... and no one will ever really catch you doing this... since it isn't something that would be monitored in anyway.... I really don't consider it illegal.... If it was illegal it would have been stated so, and made very clear since it isn't something easily monitored.

Bascially you can argue if its illegal or not but it really dosn't matter and no one really cases, trading gold between games is just the same as trading credits really, and again no one really cares.