Can you please stop the misses in PVE the warriors have when they trans knighthood? Make it so they will not miss with their specialized weapons!

Missing was one of the big things that made me move away from the Warriors.

I don't mind misses in PVP since I believe it gives warriors a lot of flavour and realism but make it that in PVE there are no misses...

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I think instead of just being at trans, accuracy goes up with training in the specialization, scaling until it reaches 100% hit rate PvE at trans. PvP can stay unaffected, or be affected to a lesser degree. But yeah, that'd make all warriors a lot happier I think. Heck, it'd make EVERYONE happier because then warriors could actually go and do group PvE with people, what little of it happens....

Nevah gonna happen!!! would be nice but nah, just wont happen.... -sad panda- because I forgot how to make the sad panda ascii thingie so I will just put a instead

I have a question.

Warriors are considered the most powerful bashers late game. Wouldn't giving then a 100% bashing hitrate increase this discrepency?

Odd.

I consider mages with ego shields the most powerful bashers late-game.

Better damage, better tankability... sure beats warriors hands down.

So no, it wouldn't.

Edit: Though I will say I understand your point-- I just don't agree with its basic premise. Most guilds have other damage reducers which bring them about in line, if not slightly better than, warriors with fullplate (the exception currently is bards). Their bashing skills are also more damaging than warrior attacks. Where warriors have the advantage is the extra health, due to higher constitution, surge, or a mix of the two, which gives a larger sip. Thus, we take harder hits, can absorb them better, and do less damage back as a whole-- which leads to longer fights (with crits at 85, Nightkiss is still far more effective than my weapons, though I do have Shadowlord Faeling strength).

Other warriors, such as Daevos, have delved into the "better damage reduction" myth of warriors in the past. You can probably find it if you search, or maybe he'd be willing to discuss it again.

I truly don't think giving us a 0% miss rate against NPCs would give us a major edge in the bashing area.

Actually, people who have tried both disagree. To quote Ekard:



I assum that where he said Mags, he meant Mages and it's a typo.

I think you'd find that if he was a pureblade or axelord, his kill rate would have been considerably lower.

I'm also not sure if he was using Numen as a paladin. He may not have needed to at that level, but that skill does pretty much overpower other classes defences and make paladins extremely tanky. (If you can link more critters and tank them all, you can kill faster.)

Yes, Night Ebonguard, Moon Serenguard, and Necromancy Ur'Guard also have access to damage reducers which put them above the competition in damage reduction as well as overall health (except when compared to forcefield imo), but trackers, Crow, and Stag do not.

it takes 10+ hits for me to kill a krokani as a faeling capping speed. not to mention having to cleave shields.

Faeling warriors (even shadowlords) are just bad bashers at lower levels. In fact, all warriors lag a bit behind in lower levels, where Mages excel. Mages also do pretty well at the higher levels, I'd place them in about second, but I still think warriors (possibly depending on race/specialization) are the best.

It was even worse as a Dracnari blademaster. I had a hard time just getting to 20.

I'm not arguing the fact that warrior bashing is sub-par at low levels, this is given. However, high level warriors, such as Ekard, always assert how powerful warriors are at bashing over all other classes at late game. That is where my concerns arose. TK faeling magi are likely better, but that's because forecefield is absurd

Have to remember like I said somewhere else or damage is based off of str and the damage the weapon has.... If I bashed with a 360 dam claymore I would get stronger crits when I got them, but would only attack half as fast.... so I end up bashing with a 110dam 285speed katana instead... I can get more hits in, more chances for a crit hit but the damage I do is lower.....


I said it somewhere last night but I have seen Athana do a WSC and kill a bull with one hit while on also seen Ixion do a WSC and not kill a bull with a hit... We were all bashing together... I remember Ixion say WTF this sucks... and Athy snickered.. or something like that... but yeah mages in the long run I think hit harder and the key thing is they always hit.... so their chances for crit hits are more than a warriors... another point is their damage is based off of Int only right??? While ours is based off of damage of the weapon and Str.... but remember the other side.... they dont hit as much as a BM would hit.... they may hit about every time a PB would hit or a hair less if the PB was using a speed katana.... so they hit slower, but they are guaranteed to hit no matter what...

I remember missing like 5-6 times in a row one time.... really irked me since it would be 10-12 times in a row if I was a BM.... Roark I think looked into that back then and fixed something to do with the miss rate since he said that was unacceptable....

Only by the naive. Mages are better factoring in criticals.



Not really.

Necromancers only have physical protection, at the expense of heavy health drain. Non-night/moon warriors have absolutely crap damage resistence to everything except physical damage (assuming you are trans forging for fullplate).

That's pretty much exactly what I said, except for the necromancers part (which I will concede, but for a titan with off-plane regen it's probably nowhere near as much of an issue, is it? Though that does require being a titan).

The little regen is nothing compared to insanely strong resistence to all damage types, with and without titan.

I'm not going to argue that PB and AL are sub-par in bashing compared to the other specialisations but I do disagree with Ixion as a Blademaster being a slower basher than Athana. Athana may be able to kill a bull with a WSC, however Ixion gets roughly two hits in the time she gets one, so it makes sense for him to kill in two hits. (assuming he is using bashing rapiers and both have normal race balance.. Yes it is not -quite- double as fast, but it can be noticeable faster)

It would also of course depend on his swords, if he was using broadswords or rapiers. Generally I've found that while rapiers do less damage, they also speed up your balance recovery, so at high levels you -do- bash faster with them, faster even than a mage. A mage cannot ever speed up their balance recovery by using a different staff, warriors however can, and being able to hit more often in this case also means having more chances to land a critical (and even if they miss they will recover balance on that arm again quickly and be able to hit again much sooner).

All these pros and cons exist with or without missing. Missing is an entirefly different thing, and I wonder why warriors miss while bashing for any reason other than "realism"

Its really not a balance thing.

BM and BC warriors actually get FOUR hits for every hit of a non-warrior, right? Since balance time on bashing weapons is about two seconds, and you have two weapons? As opposed to four seconds and one weapon.

NO.

If you paid attention to the other thread, TWO WSCH, were needed to kill the manifiestation. One alone would not have killed it.