Unknown2006-12-06 21:43:53
Greetings. First of all, I beg your pardon for such a topic - it was discussed many and many times, for sure. But we have some new people here, some new skills, some new fixes, some new thoughts.
Imagine, you're about to create the most powerful character that ever walked Lusternia. You have a demigod of any race as a skeleton, you have a free choice of a guild, you have enough lessons to trans everything, your credit wealth will get you every artifact you need, you have the best combat system available, and you are really good with your class. Your goal is to make a perfect killing machine in terms of PvP. What will you make?
Imagine, you're about to create the most powerful character that ever walked Lusternia. You have a demigod of any race as a skeleton, you have a free choice of a guild, you have enough lessons to trans everything, your credit wealth will get you every artifact you need, you have the best combat system available, and you are really good with your class. Your goal is to make a perfect killing machine in terms of PvP. What will you make?
Unknown2006-12-06 21:48:01
Why theoretise when such a juggernaut already walks the lands of Lusternia?
How to find him? HONORS IXION.
How to find him? HONORS IXION.
Acrune2006-12-06 21:59:44
Paladin
Why theoretise when such a juggernaut already walks the lands of Lusternia?
How to find him? HONORS IXION.
There are a decent amount who are better.
QUOTE(Cuber @ Dec 6 2006, 04:48 PM) 360549
Why theoretise when such a juggernaut already walks the lands of Lusternia?
How to find him? HONORS IXION.
There are a decent amount who are better.
Aiakon2006-12-06 22:02:51
With unlimited creds, definitely a warrior of some description.
Ildaudid2006-12-06 22:16:54
Try
honours Kaervas
honours Geb
honours Ixion
honours Daevos
honours Athana
that should give you enough to think about then
honours Kaervas
honours Geb
honours Ixion
honours Daevos
honours Athana
that should give you enough to think about then
Noola2006-12-06 22:25:50
Honors Noola!
Just kidding!
Too many Reese's Peanut Butter Cups!
Just kidding!
Too many Reese's Peanut Butter Cups!
Shryke2006-12-06 23:11:46
The only people on that list who I think are truly masters of their class are Geb and Daevos... Ixion really doesn't seem to do a WHOLE lot now that he doesn't have his OP swords (he is a group combat expert though, not saying he sucks or anything)
Kaervas, I really haven't seen him fight, other than raiding, and I would put him in a similar category as Ixion, being very smart in terms of raiding and group combat, but not exactly a master of his art... And Athana, she's not really even a very big combatant, she does her part, and she does it very well, but it's not like she really strives to be on top.
Now, Stan, I'm really upset by a post like this, we don't want stupid metagamers here, play a character, RP it, and don't just be some nub griefer who wants to max out with everything, that's just no fun!
Note: Geb and Daevos both have been here from the beginning, and have TONS of experience, while NEITHER are metagaming their class at all, Geb has been what was considered an underpowered class for ages, while Daevos was also a PB until very recently, so really, it's not the class you're in, it's the player behind it.
Stan, go pick something and learn, don't just try to WIN.
Kaervas, I really haven't seen him fight, other than raiding, and I would put him in a similar category as Ixion, being very smart in terms of raiding and group combat, but not exactly a master of his art... And Athana, she's not really even a very big combatant, she does her part, and she does it very well, but it's not like she really strives to be on top.
Now, Stan, I'm really upset by a post like this, we don't want stupid metagamers here, play a character, RP it, and don't just be some nub griefer who wants to max out with everything, that's just no fun!
Note: Geb and Daevos both have been here from the beginning, and have TONS of experience, while NEITHER are metagaming their class at all, Geb has been what was considered an underpowered class for ages, while Daevos was also a PB until very recently, so really, it's not the class you're in, it's the player behind it.
Stan, go pick something and learn, don't just try to WIN.
Unknown2006-12-06 23:12:27
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Dec 6 2006, 04:16 PM) 360562
Try
honours Kaervas
honours Geb
honours Ixion
honours Daevos
honours Athana
that should give you enough to think about then
I so want to see you in that list
You are my favorite griefer and you are rising and becoming so powerful
Uhm... as for the title... I have to say Demigod Human Warrior of some kind
I'm going with either Moon Serenguard or Paladin
Unknown2006-12-06 23:26:58
QUOTE(Shryke @ Dec 7 2006, 12:11 AM) 360581
Ixion really doesn't seem to do a WHOLE lot now that he doesn't have his OP swords (he is a group combat expert though, not saying he sucks or anything)
But when he had them, he was death on two legs. He didn't even had to use sophisticated tactics on 95% of the Basin. The other 5% was problematic though.
Anyway, my point was that Ixion was exactly as per the original poster's description - someone whose, let's face it, credit-attained status (artifacts, overpowered weapons, good skills) and titanhood make so powerful that he doesn't need player skills (not saying that Ixion doesn't have any skills - on the contrary).
So, warrior. As for guild... Paladin or Serenguard with Moon.
Ceren2006-12-06 23:29:04
Demigod Human Ebonguard Lowmagic Night Blademaster. People underestimate the potential of choke for warriors, especially one-handers. Imagine all the bleeding a blademaster can stack when you can't cure arteries or anything, and clotting in choke is an exercise in futility. Plus, the lung thing that gives blackouts and the dysentery gut wound combined with morphite or mantakaya/dulak will do a good job of hindering someone.
EDIT: And I'm not saying it's the most powerful just because of this specific strategy. The class is very powerful offensively and defensively outside of choke as well.
EDIT: And I'm not saying it's the most powerful just because of this specific strategy. The class is very powerful offensively and defensively outside of choke as well.
Unknown2006-12-06 23:35:39
QUOTE(Shryke @ Dec 6 2006, 11:11 PM) 360581
Now, Stan, I'm really upset by a post like this, we don't want stupid metagamers here, play a character, RP it, and don't just be some nub griefer who wants to max out with everything, that's just no fun!
Stan, go pick something and learn, don't just try to WIN.
My bad, I forgot to add a disclaimer :) This thread is a product of my curiosity and in no way represents my desire to become the Doombringer of the Basin - I'm either staying an overpowered human AL :), or going a mugwump geo. This topic is supposed to be free from any roleplay related things - "meta-gaming" and "maxing out everything" should be the primary goals in this discussion. Imagine it's Diablo II - we're speaking of "builds" here, not of "characters" :)
Shryke2006-12-06 23:44:48
Heh, alright stan, and Ceren, I disagree, 1 handers in my experience are FAR better than 2 handers in choke (I've fought as both), 2 handers can maintain their full offense in choke, and tendon+bonds+choke means whoever it is is down for the count, note: this is very viable as a 1 hander with tackle.. This tactic also takes the players ent's away, and lets you finish them at ease, on the other hand, a 2 hander can only hit with 1 sword per round, making them quite weak in comparison.
Now, outside of choke, BM are pretty nice.. Stacking up to 5 herb affs per round is SICK... I mean SICK! Nerf Niricol already!!
Now, outside of choke, BM are pretty nice.. Stacking up to 5 herb affs per round is SICK... I mean SICK! Nerf Niricol already!!
Ceren2006-12-06 23:56:00
One sword per round? There's a slight delay between your attacks, but your not losing much. In choke it's all about how much afflictions you can put out, and Blademaster is better than Pureblade in this regard, even if you lose some efficiency.
Ildaudid2006-12-07 00:06:35
Not really Ceren, if I am in choke and stick you with a mantakaya/sever tendon, it will take you alot to heal that. In the mean time I am going for lacerations/gash cheek/slice gut.... when you have finally healed your tendon. I would be on the other leg tendoning it or working the gut to rupture your stomach. Which in choke me hitting all the regen cures are going to make for a hell of a time for you.... Now stacking 5 afflictions is nice but alot of the afflictions you can fight through.... but you will not be fighting through punctre lung, sever tendon or any other regen needed cure as easily.
Ceren2006-12-07 00:30:20
Regeneration cures are already difficult like that outside of choke. They don't really gain anything from choke like Blademaster afflictions do.
Shamarah2006-12-07 00:38:59
Why on earth would you use choke as a warrior? You're just begging to get owned by anyone with passives.
Ceren2006-12-07 00:56:31
If it's a demesne, keep up love potion and make them reject and enemy (two actions) in choke. If it's ents, envenom hadrudin. If it's something like phantoms or heretic, it did cost them power to do, and you can use your off balance time to cure if you get good at it. The only passive I'd truly fear in choke is a druid demesne, and you don't always have to use choke anyway.
Forren2006-12-07 00:59:57
QUOTE(ceren @ Dec 6 2006, 07:56 PM) 360602
If it's a demesne, keep up love potion and make them reject and enemy (two actions) in choke. If it's ents, envenom hadrudin. If it's something like phantoms or heretic, it did cost them power to do, and you can use your off balance time to cure if you get good at it. The only passive I'd truly fear in choke is a druid demesne, and you don't always have to use choke anyway.
If it's in a demesne I'm going to range staff or go in for phantom and maelstrom, then staff.
Ceren2006-12-07 01:03:21
And then it'll all bounce off that 9k+ health and Nightkiss.
Shryke2006-12-07 02:13:56
Ceren, you're awfully wrong.
You CAN'T stick an aff long enough to combine it well with choke, if you can choke beat someone, you can beat them without it.. on the other hand, a pureblade could tackle someone into a bonded+choked room, assault leg for a tendon, then proceed to kill them.. And anyone who chokes themselves in someone elses demesne is retarded.
Now, it CAN be used well as a warrior, but not in the ways you are saying Ceren, sorry, you have no experience with it.
You CAN'T stick an aff long enough to combine it well with choke, if you can choke beat someone, you can beat them without it.. on the other hand, a pureblade could tackle someone into a bonded+choked room, assault leg for a tendon, then proceed to kill them.. And anyone who chokes themselves in someone elses demesne is retarded.
Now, it CAN be used well as a warrior, but not in the ways you are saying Ceren, sorry, you have no experience with it.