Is leglock still screwy so that it is tripping you up even after you died, liched... or vitaed??

Have YOU seen it done to a competent fighter by a competent fighter? No, of course you haven't, because it's not really possible on anyone who knows what they're doing.

Instakills shouldn't be easy, I know you used to them being celestine and all but heartburst is a viable instakill at the moment you just have to work at it instead of just mindlessly straight up bursting.

It's a fair point though... I haven't seen a heartburst deathsight in ages... maybe there are simply less telekinetics about - certainly, the vast majority of Geomancers have telepathy...

How do you suggest you "work at it"? Telekinetics DON'T HAVE many skills that synergize with heartburst. All they can really do is just burst/trip/choke or burst/trip/throatlock and hope that slows down sip enough. It's not like they have the opportunity to use anorexia or aeon or any of those other afflictions that normally help with this kind of thing.

And, again, have YOU seen it used recently?



There are reasons for all of those...

Ya as I said athana came up with a nice way to pull it off. They have skills that synergize with heartburst.

Well indeed.

I don't dismiss other combatants viewpoints so easily. I do dismiss yours. You have proven many times that you have no clue whatsoever. You tend to as a habit focus on the most insubstantial facets of combat. For example, while yes - Telekinetics can stack 2 focus body cures - there is no point, synergy, or reason for them to do so to gain any leverage 1-on-1. It would absolute waste of time, ego, channels, and willpower.

There is no debate there. It isn't a strategy period. It doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile. It also takes -6- seconds of time to do, requires a locked super channel, and throatlock always focuses off before leglock.

Heartburst and Thornrend are always going to have the same problem - no skills really synergize well enough with them for them to be viable in 1v1. However, if the skills were made more powerful, they would be too powerful.

Both are still really good in group combat though.

What strategy, Ferlas? You keep saying this, but you fail to deliver when it comes to explaining it. I will state that I have fought Athana as a Telekinetic geomancer (ages ago, but no less) right after the heartburst change, and she didn't stack any vessels on me.

You cannot compare Heartburst to Thornrend fairly:

+ Thornlash can be used to bleed a target (as you have said, its how you get bleeding kills). You can move them up/down with raise cudgel, treelife, treebane, swoop, etc.

+ The amount of time to thornlash 4x, thornrend is -less- than the amount of time to burst, burst, burst, burst, burst, burst, heartburst. Likewise, equilibrium can be modified (racial, facepaints, etc). Psionic channel balance is set.

+ Psionics takes mad willpower. The only skillset that takes more is Dreamweaving. If you thornlash 50 times, you aren't dead. If I use burst/other channels 50 times, I have zero willpower. Thus, telekinesis opperates on a timer.

+ If I get someone to 10 vessels and heartburst, I get nothing except a loss of 5 power. If you get someone to 3 lashes and thornrend, you at least get some decent bleeding.

+ Staff damage is substantially better in group combat than bursting. Why? Staff damage -stacks- with other people in the group. If three warriors are attacking a target and I staff, the damage adds up. If I heartburst, it doesn't do anything cumulative. Likewise two mages can staff/staff and kill anyone as fast as they could possibly burst/burst. Forren and I have proven this/tested this on several occasions. Raw damage is always better than going for heartburst.

I'll have to agree... the other day's FFA I fought solo against Narsrim. His telekinesis did jack to me. He only killed me by utilizing my racial weakness against fire.... so yea... telekinesis doesn't seem very handy.

Yes, after bursting Revan nearly 50 times in a row (it was a non-demesne fight), I stacked 4 burst vessels. Whoo!

I also drained my willpower to almost zero.

On the otherhand, my telepathy did virtually zilch to you as well. Nerf Faeling titans with philosopher stones.

As I read over this thread and thus the quote statement, I have a general message (that has nothing whatsoever to do with Telekinesis so this definately qualifies as a hijack):

People who do not actively participate in combat should be willing to accept their opinions regarding combat and feasible/viable combat methods to be sup par to people who are active participants. Using a real world analogy, have you ever heard of an automechanic who attempts to tell an endocardiothorasic surgeon how to do his-or-her job? How would you react to said mechanic attempting to tell said surgeon what techniques work best in specific instances of surgery? It sounds illogical to me - but we face this in Lusternia.

You will notice Elryn is quick to point out what he feels are valid points, but the average combatant can easily see the flaws:



+ Telekinesis doesn't provide damage reduction. Psiarmour is in the base skillset, Psionics. It also requires a locked channel. It would be akin to saying Wicca is very powerful because of Nature Flow or Barkskin.

+ Forcefield is nice, but it again requires a locked channel. Locked channels can be removed with disruption scroll. If your ego reaches zero, you LOSE experience and lose access to the entire skillset for 45 minutes.

+ Barrier is effective in group combat. 1-on-1 it is very easy to escape with a gust enchantment let alone one of the various other abilities that get around it. Combat is balanced for 1-on-1 not groups. Simply because something is useful in group combat is not a valid reason to justify an entire skillset being rather worthless 1-on-1.

+ Stacking focus body cures is something Elryn always mentions as if it means something. I'm not sure why, but non combatants tend to believe that if you "stack" a cure, it means something. While this can be the case, consider the situation. For 6 seconds off channel balance, you can stack leglock + throatlock. Throatlock always focuses first. Leglock requires a locked super channel. Throatlock and Leglock both focus in 1.0 seconds. There is no gain whatsoever. No synergy. No point.

+ Active blackout that costs 6 seconds of channel balance and blackouts for 1 second. It can be useful in some combinations, but it isn't exactly worthwhile when the abilities that you need to sneak in with blackout are easy to detect around it, easy to cure, etc.

+ Telekinesis does not have any defense stripping abilities. Psionics has alteraura, which can strip only 10 defenses (waterbreathe, waterwalking, quicksilver, fire, frost, kafe, insomnia, levitation, constitution, or sixthsense). Needlerain passively strips waterbreathe, waterwalk, fire, frost, and levitate. Lodestone passively strips levitation. Duststorm strips sixthsense. There is no benefit to a mage to strip quicksilver, kafe, insomnia. In the end, it takes 4 seconds to strip something you either A) will strip passively B) doesn't do anything for you. Why bother?

You tend to spoil your otherwise perfectly reputable arguments by scorching the person you argue against, Narsrim. I would argue that this is counterproductive, as the forum populace will generally side with the scorchee rather than the scorcher. Merely an observation.

At least it's entertaining. Narsrim's quite right too; non-fighters shouldn't talk about combat.

That's a bug which should be fixed..

As for heartburst, I pull it off fairly often, but I only use it for a challenge. Damage is always better for me at the moment.

Oh yeah- throatlock-burst-trip, with illusion, x30. Something like that.. stacking with phantoms, bubbling.

EDIT: Forcefield does not scale with ego at the moment, which is the reason some claim it reduces damage. It does not reduce damage. However, it does directly convert health to ego without taking into account maximum ego. Percentage wise, it's reduced. Going to envoy a change to forcefield next month.

I would also like to note that clot is a joke. During the fight, I actually took the time to type "diag... (oh crap, clot)... outr yarrow... eat herb... (oh :censor:, it ate a horehound)... (waits for herb balance)... eat yarrow" and then was back in the fight like nothing ever happened. If you're going to replace a skill, at least make it not so trashy.

Who exactly are you heartbursting though? Daevos? Geb?

Heartburst is -possible-, sure. However, I think the question is, "How viable is it against someone with a decent system who can cure well?" In that case, I'd say it is very sub par.