Pit/Engage Concern

by Narsrim

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Narsrim2006-12-12 16:42:56
QUOTE

You spring a trap!!
The ground suddenly falls away from beneath you and you go tumbling into a pit,
landing painfully on the hard ground.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
4557h, 7289m, 7239e, 10p, 28944w exkd<>-
Alias "0" will now execute: "climb up"
4557h, 7289m, 7239e, 10p, 28956w exkd<>-
fly
There is not enough overhead room to fly.
4557h, 7289m, 7631e, 10p, 28956w exkd<>-

Cleaving through your defenses, Geb makes a slow deadly strike at your left arm
with an elegant darksteel katana. He stumbles forward as he fails to strike you.
4557h, 7289m, 7631e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-
climb up
You take a long drag off your pipe.
4557h, 7289m, 7631e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-

Geb moves in to engage you.
4557h, 7289m, 7631e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-
You begin to climb out of the pit.
4557h, 7289m, 7631e, 10p, 28968w ekd<>-
In a pit at in the ante-room.
Evidently a place to relax and unwind either before or after a meal, an air of
absolute luxury is maintained here. An elaborately detailed box of cigars is
open upon a mantelpiece carved from a single length of bone, a deep-pile crimson
carpet extends into the room to the south and colossal bookcases of polished
wood contain works of a variety of study, both fictional and factual, although a
preponderance are of recipes or other gastronomic articles. Waving in the astral
winds, a sparkleberry bush drinks up the power laden atmosphere here.
4557h, 7289m, 7631e, 10p, 28968w ekd<>-

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4557h, 7289m, 7631e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-

With a focused look, Geb strikes at you with an elegant darksteel katana. The
blade bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
Hmmmm. Why must everything be so difficult to figure out?
4557h, 7289m, 7424e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-
4557h, 7289m, 7424e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-
You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 636.
4557h, 7289m, 7424e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-
You are stuck in a pit and must CLIMB UP to get out before you can move.
4557h, 7289m, 7424e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-
You eat a bunch of pennyroyal.
You aren't such a complete idiot anymore.
4557h, 7289m, 7424e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-
What do you want to eat?
4557h, 7289m, 7424e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-

You bleed 29 health.
4528h, 7289m, 7424e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-
You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 635.
4528h, 7289m, 7424e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-
You eat a bunch of pennyroyal.
The plant has no effect.
4528h, 7289m, 7424e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-
4528h, 7289m, 7424e, 10p, 28968w exkd<>-
You focus your mind intently on curing your mental maladies.
4528h, 7102m, 7424e, 10p, 28893w exkd<>-
4528h, 7102m, 7424e, 10p, 28893w exkd<>-

Geb lashes out at you as you turn to flee.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
4557h, 7177m, 7214e, 10p, 28905w exkd<>-

Your mind is able to focus once again.
4557h, 7177m, 7214e, 10p, 28905w exkd<>-

With a focused look, Geb strikes at you with an elegant darksteel katana. Geb
strikes deep into your left shoulder, which severs a nerve and causes your
entire left side to go numb.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
4557h, 7177m, 7007e, 10p, 28905w exkd<>-

You may eat or smoke another herb.
4557h, 7177m, 7007e, 10p, 28905w exkd<>-

Merfua de Brume, a mist dragon breathes mist at you.
L'eau de Brume, a mist dragon breathes mist at you.
4557h, 7177m, 6966e, 10p, 28905w exkd<>-

Geb moves in to engage you.


QUOTE

You begin to climb out of the pit.
4557h, 7102m, 7394e, 10p, 28842w ekd<>-
You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 634.
4557h, 7102m, 7394e, 10p, 28842w ekd<>-
You eat a bunch of pennyroyal.
The plant has no effect.
4557h, 7102m, 7394e, 10p, 28842w ekd<>-

You bleed 55 health.
4502h, 7102m, 7394e, 10p, 28842w ekd<>-

Your mind is able to focus once again.
4502h, 7102m, 7394e, 10p, 28842w ekd<>-

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4502h, 7102m, 7394e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-

You may eat or smoke another herb.
4502h, 7102m, 7394e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-

With a focused look, Geb strikes at you with an elegant darksteel katana. You
are merely clipped on your left arm for a small cut.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
Hmmmm. Why must everything be so difficult to figure out?
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
You take a drink from a moonstone vial.
The potion flows down your throat without effect.
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
You flip the bird.
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
There is nothing noteworthy there for you to read.
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 633.
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
You eat a bunch of pennyroyal.
You aren't such a complete idiot anymore.
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
What do you want to eat?
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
What do you want to eat?
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 632.
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
You eat a bunch of pennyroyal.
The plant has no effect.
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
4502h, 7102m, 7187e, 10p, 28842w exkd<>-
You focus your mind intently on curing your mental maladies.
4502h, 6915m, 7187e, 10p, 28767w exkd<>-
4502h, 6915m, 7187e, 10p, 28767w exkd<>-

You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
4502h, 6915m, 7187e, 10p, 28767w exkd<>-

Geb lashes out at you as you turn to flee.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
4502h, 6915m, 6902e, 10p, 28779w exkd<>-

Geb moves in to engage you.


QUOTE

You begin to climb out of the pit.
4557h, 6990m, 6420e, 10p, 28779w ekd<>-

Cleaving through your defenses, Geb makes a slow deadly strike at your left arm
with an elegant darksteel katana. Geb strikes deep into your left shoulder,
which severs a nerve and causes your entire left side to go numb.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
Hmmmm. Why must everything be so difficult to figure out?
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28779w ekd<>-
You take a long drag off your pipe.
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
You remove 1 myrtle, bringing the total in the Rift to 901.
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
You must regain balance first.
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
Your mind is whirling with thoughts - you cannot settle down to sleep.
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 631.
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
You eat a bunch of pennyroyal.
You aren't such a complete idiot anymore.
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
What do you want to eat?
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
What do you want to eat?
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 630.
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
You eat a bunch of pennyroyal.
The plant has no effect.
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
4557h, 6990m, 6213e, 10p, 28791w ekd<>-
You focus your mind intently on curing your mental maladies.
4557h, 6803m, 6213e, 10p, 28716w ekd<>-
4557h, 6803m, 6213e, 10p, 28716w ekd<>-

You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
4557h, 6803m, 6213e, 10p, 28716w ekd<>-

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4557h, 6803m, 6213e, 10p, 28716w exkd<>-

Your mind is able to focus once again.
4557h, 6803m, 6213e, 10p, 28716w exkd<>-

You may eat or smoke another herb.
4557h, 6803m, 6213e, 10p, 28716w exkd<>-

With a focused look, Geb strikes at you with an elegant darksteel katana. Geb
strikes deep into your right shoulder, which severs a nerve and causes your
entire right side to go numb.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
4557h, 7289m, 6641e, 10p, 28716w exkd<>-

Geb lashes out at you as you turn to flee.
The force field around you flares, absorbing all damage.
4557h, 7289m, 6356e, 10p, 28716w exkd<>-

Geb moves in to engage you.


Is using engage supposed to stop climbing out of a pit 100% of the time.

Edited for personal attacks.
Lysandus2006-12-12 17:01:05
Well, sounds logical to me. As soon as you climb out from the pit, he hits you thus you fall down again.
Geb2006-12-12 17:02:54
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Dec 12 2006, 05:42 PM) 362470

Is using engage supposed to stop climbing out of a pit 100% of the time.


First, me loving to show it off? Heh, this is the first time I engaged over and over after the message. Showing it off would mean that I have done it multiple times and ran around saying "Hey, look what I can do!" like statements. Instead it is the my first time seeing it just like you.

Anyhow, if that is the only reason why you could not get out, then it is a problem. I doubt it is the only reason though.
Narsrim2006-12-12 17:04:54
QUOTE(Lysandus @ Dec 12 2006, 12:01 PM) 362474

Well, sounds logical to me. As soon as you climb out from the pit, he hits you thus you fall down again.


It sounds logical if I burst a vessel or two in your heart, you could easily bleed to death. Sadly, balance > realism.
Lysandus2006-12-12 17:05:37
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Dec 13 2006, 01:04 AM) 362478

It sounds logical if I burst a vessel or two in your heart, you could easily bleed to death. Sadly, balance > realism.


Oops, I stand corrected. blush.gif
Narsrim2006-12-12 17:09:39
QUOTE(geb @ Dec 12 2006, 12:02 PM) 362475

First, me loving to show it off? Heh, this is the first time I engaged over and over after the message. Showing it off would mean that I have done it multiple times and ran around saying "Hey, look what I can do!" like statements. Instead it is the my first time seeing it just like you.

Anyhow, if that is the only reason why you could not get out, then it is a problem. I doubt it is the only reason though.


Nothing in these logs should have stopped me from climbing out of the pit. In fact, if they had... I wouldn't have triggered engage upon moving because if you interrupt climbing out of a pit - you don't move.

Edited for personal attacks.
Unknown2006-12-12 17:13:14
Just a question.. if you fall into a pit indoors and engage stops you from climbing out.. is there -any- way to ever escape the pit (unless your attacker stops engaging)? And also, can you still attack from outside the pit, while those in the pit cannot attack back?

Because.. if that's the case then I think engage really shouldn't stop climbing out of the pit. There should be -some- way to get out of it as there is -some- way to cure everything too or get rid of mecanisms that keep you from leaving (barrier etc).
Unknown2006-12-12 17:14:58
QUOTE
Just a question.. if you fall into a pit indoors and engage stops you from climbing out.. is there -any- way to ever escape the pit (unless your attacker stops engaging)? And also, can you still attack from outside the pit, while those in the pit cannot attack back?


Disengage I suppose?

QUOTE
Because.. if that's the case then I think engage really shouldn't stop climbing out of the pit. There should be -some- way to get out of it as there is -some- way to cure everything too or get rid of mecanisms that keep you from leaving (barrier etc).


Disengage should not stop climbing out of a pit. You should be able to climb out of the pit without it hitting at all, then it should hit you if you try to leave the room after that. For the purpose of disengage, climbing out of the pit should not be considered a move.
Narsrim2006-12-12 17:20:22
You have to target someone to disengage. You can't target them inside a pit.
Unknown2006-12-12 17:20:48
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Dec 12 2006, 11:20 AM) 362484

You have to target someone to disengage. You can't target them inside a pit.


Ah, good point, didn't think about that.
Unknown2006-12-12 17:23:45
Sounds more and more like a bug or possible oversight to me. sleep.gif
Geb2006-12-12 17:30:55
Just tested engage + pit with Malicia. I reengaged on her just as I did on you. As I said before, it was not engaged that kept you in. Perhaps you can sit down again and figure it out, though I know that the blame actually lies with you.

5405h, 3436m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 14000w elrxk<>-
The ground suddenly falls away from beneath Malicia and she goes tumbling into a
pit.
5405h, 3436m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 14000w elrxk<>-
Malicia IS DRINKING FROM A VIAL
5405h, 3399m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w elrxk<>-(-37mana)
You move in to engage Malicia.
5405h, 3362m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w lrxk<>-(-37mana)
----------------------
|REGAINED EQUILIBRIUM|
----------------------
5405h, 3473m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w elrxk<>-(+111mana)
MALICIA HAS APPLIED SALVE TO LEGS.
5405h, 3473m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w elrxk<>-
You say, "Ok, try."
5405h, 3436m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13980w elrxk<>-(-37mana)
(Bellator Societas): Elaria says, "Don't get too many though, fatal error."
5405h, 3399m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 14000w elrxk<>-(-37mana)
You lash out at Malicia as she turns to flee.
Malicia slowly climbs out of the pit.
Merfua de Brume, a mist dragon says, "Watch yourself Geb, an undesirable has
just entered our presence."
5405h, 3399m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 14000w elrxk<>-
You move in to engage Malicia.
5405h, 3362m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w lrxk<>-(-37mana)
----------------------
|REGAINED EQUILIBRIUM|
----------------------
5405h, 3362m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w elrxk<>-
Lady Malicia La'Saet, Blade Inquisitor says, "Out."

QUOTE(Narsrim @ Dec 12 2006, 06:09 PM) 362480

Nothing in these logs should have stopped me from climbing out of the pit. In fact, if they had... I wouldn't have triggered engage upon moving because if you interrupt climbing out of a pit - you don't move.


Why don't you tell the whole story, or is the truth not in you? I asked you to move your group away from that room so I could rectify the situation. What did you do instead Narsrim? You decided to move your group in on me to kill me. Stories always sound so much worse when you tell only one side of the story, eh?

On the pit, you need to learn how to climb out of one. Seems to me that you are not that capable at it.
Unknown2006-12-12 17:33:14
QUOTE(geb @ Dec 12 2006, 11:30 AM) 362487

Just tested engage + pit with Malicia. I reengaged on her just as I did on you. As I said before, it was not engaged that kept you in. Perhaps you can sit down again and figure it out, though I know that the blame actually lies with you.

5405h, 3436m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 14000w elrxk<>-
The ground suddenly falls away from beneath Malicia and she goes tumbling into a
pit.
5405h, 3436m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 14000w elrxk<>-
Malicia IS DRINKING FROM A VIAL
5405h, 3399m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w elrxk<>-(-37mana)
You move in to engage Malicia.
5405h, 3362m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w lrxk<>-(-37mana)
----------------------
|REGAINED EQUILIBRIUM|
----------------------
5405h, 3473m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w elrxk<>-(+111mana)
MALICIA HAS APPLIED SALVE TO LEGS.
5405h, 3473m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w elrxk<>-
You say, "Ok, try."
5405h, 3436m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13980w elrxk<>-(-37mana)
(Bellator Societas): Elaria says, "Don't get too many though, fatal error."
5405h, 3399m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 14000w elrxk<>-(-37mana)
You lash out at Malicia as she turns to flee.
Malicia slowly climbs out of the pit.
Merfua de Brume, a mist dragon says, "Watch yourself Geb, an undesirable has
just entered our presence."
5405h, 3399m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 14000w elrxk<>-
You move in to engage Malicia.
5405h, 3362m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w lrxk<>-(-37mana)
----------------------
|REGAINED EQUILIBRIUM|
----------------------
5405h, 3362m, 4025e, 10p, 22400en, 13990w elrxk<>-
Lady Malicia La'Saet, Blade Inquisitor says, "Out."
Why don't you tell the whole story, or is the truth not in you? I asked you to move your group away from that room so I could rectify the situation. What did you do instead Narsrim? You decided to move your group in on me to kill me. Stories always sound so much worse when you tell only one side of the story, eh?

On the pit, you need to learn how to climb out of one. Seems to me that you are not that capable at it.


Maybe it has a percentage chance of blocking the move? Might be worth some more testing to see how often it's possible to climb out, or if it's always possible and something else went wrong on Narsrim's end.
Daganev2006-12-12 17:33:48
Interesting... Narsrim, you could have just said this is aproblem, has anyone looked at it before, instead of saying that Geb is somehow a bad envoy...
Narsrim2006-12-12 17:34:32
Then what exactly stopped me from climbing out of the pit? Eating herbs, sipping potions, etc. shouldn't interfere with it. Getting hit with a sword shouldn't interefere with it. There is nothing else in my logs that I did.
Unknown2006-12-12 17:34:36
Engage prevents movement at a rate around 10%.

Look at it this way, at least you're not a bard. We have to spend 10 power to get out of a pit!
Narsrim2006-12-12 17:36:27
QUOTE(daganev @ Dec 12 2006, 12:33 PM) 362492

Interesting... Narsrim, you could have just said this is aproblem, has anyone looked at it before, instead of saying that Geb is somehow a bad envoy...


I actually would have if Geb hadn't spring trapped (burnout, vitae, death), spring trapped (vitae, death), spring trapped (vitae) me yesterday. Likewise, something is fishy with these traps.
Hazar2006-12-12 17:37:13
Yes...you keep stepping into them.
Geb2006-12-12 17:38:23
QUOTE(mitbulls @ Dec 12 2006, 06:33 PM) 362491

Maybe it has a percentage chance of blocking the move? Might be worth some more testing to see how often it's possible to climb out, or if it's always possible and something else went wrong on Narsrim's end.


When it blocks a move, a particular message is given. It is this:

You step in the way of Malicia, preventing egress.
Narsrim2006-12-12 17:43:09
Assuming it isn't engage (which still makes no sense to me because how could I trigger engage without attempting to move?), what is it then? What is stopping me from climbing out?

Eatting pennyroyal? Focus Mind? Smoking a pipe? In the third log, those are the ONLY commands I did... and yet I still failed to climb out, triggered engage, etc.

None of these commands should be hindering climb up.