Best race for a Celestine

by Jack

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Jack2006-12-26 06:56:37
Everybody seems to think lobo are the premier race for Celestine combatants, but I think taurian could work just as well, despite popular opposition

(9 ) Visaeris: "You're a censor.gif celestine elfen."
12) Visaeris: "Rofl that's even worse."
13) Visaeris: "Dude, taurian.")

to the idea.

QUOTE
Lobo:
Strength : 14 Dexterity : 15 Constitution: 16
Intelligence: 10 Charisma : 11 Size : 13
o Have racial language, Loboshigaru.
o Have level 3 health regeneration.
o Have level 1 resistance to fire.
o Have level 1 resistance to cold.
o Have level 1 resistance to poison damage.
o Have a level 2 susceptiblity to magic.

Taurian:
Strength : 15 Dexterity : 12 Constitution: 16
Intelligence: 10 Charisma : 10 Size : 15
o Have racial language, Taurian.
o Have level 1 health regeneration.
o Have level 2 resistance to cutting damage.
o Have level 2 resistance to electric damage.
o Can enrage self and other taurians upon reaching level 50, increasing
their strength +2 but chance of involuntarily lashing out at
non-taurians.
o Have a level 1 susceptiblity to magic.


Keeping in mind that I'll be a Celestine with transcendent resilience and magic and splendor robes (which more or less renders the susceptibility to magic irrelevant), which race do you think would be better suited?
Kharaen2006-12-26 07:04:58
I'm going to say Taurien, if only because level 2 magic penalty REALLY sucks. Big time. As a warrior you would be using field plate rather then great robes I would imagine, so you can't really get magic resistence from a vitae proofing. Resistance in athletics would help with the level 1 magic penalty though. An extra point of strength is also very nice, and another +2 strength for enrage is very nice.

Edit: Even with all that magic resistance, well..

On the plus side, level 3 health regeneration is max regeneration.

A lot of people like Loboshi, a lot don't.
Anarias2006-12-26 07:06:02
Celestine, not Paladin.
Kharaen2006-12-26 07:08:49
Meh. I'm tired. That's my excuse. Ignore me.
Unknown2006-12-26 07:10:03
QUOTE(Jack @ Dec 26 2006, 12:56 AM) 366445

Everybody seems to think lobo are the premier race for Celestine combatants, but I think taurian could work just as well, despite popular opposition

(9 ) Visaeris: "You're a censor.gif celestine elfen."
12) Visaeris: "Rofl that's even worse."
13) Visaeris: "Dude, taurian.")

to the idea.
Keeping in mind that I'll be a Celestine with transcendent resilience and magic and splendor robes (which more or less renders the susceptibility to magic irrelevant), which race do you think would be better suited?

I would guess it all lies on if you can afford the regeneration artie... if not, go Lobo.. shammy's one
Jack2006-12-26 07:38:47
QUOTE(Corinthian @ Dec 26 2006, 07:10 AM) 366454

I would guess it all lies on if you can afford the regeneration artie... if not, go Lobo.. shammy's one

Actually I was considering the lobo's dexterity (better parrying) vs the taurians better resistances to be the prime factors in deciding which to choose.
Clise2006-12-26 11:02:08
Its simple. If you plan to fight a warrior who is 1) blademaster, 2) axelord, 3) pureblade, and utilises mostly only lightning runes, taurian is golden. Loboshigaru is simply for a generic tanky race that has high regen. Both can work in a multitude of situations.
Shamarah2006-12-26 13:32:55
Either one works, really. I often wish I'd picked taurian instead of lobo because of the cutting resistance. I'm not sure exactly how much difference the level 3 regen actually makes; it's not negligible by any means but nor will it change the outcome of a fight.

It's really whether you want the regen or the resistances.
Ethelon2006-12-26 13:33:28
The only reason to go for a tanky race is if you ONLY RELY on Soulless setups and kills. If you actually want to have an advantage beyond that, go for Aslaran. Because of the skills the Celestines have at hand, even an Aslaran will be insanely tanky, yet then you will also have alot more speed in throwing tarot and your setups. The only good Lobo ever was Amaru, and that was mainly due to Soulless being such a good kill style with all the hinering and annoyance your angels can offer, beyond that he was nothing special. Sadly, you will notice the tanky Celestines (most of them, not all) only try to whore this tactic, because this is the only kill viable for such races really.
Shamarah2006-12-26 13:50:00
Oh, yeah, forgot to say - Ethelon's quite right, the only kill tactic viable for a loboshigaru or taurian is soulless. If you want to be able to absolve you'll really have to be a mugwump or aslaran. It's up to you, I guess. I'd only go with the mugwump/aslaran if you're a fairly high level as otherwise you won't really have the health to survive unless you keep up numen 24/7 or you do nothing but whore healer tarot.
Daganev2006-12-26 19:16:58
does the +2 size difference affect celestines much? Don't know what anti webbing skills they have.
Ceren2006-12-27 01:09:14
The slower writhe would be a pain, but at least guardians can supplement a slow tumble with fly and starleaper.
Shorlen2006-12-27 03:11:11
And diminsh without needing enchantments *shrug*
Alodia2006-12-27 11:05:48
ok I'll get scolded and flamed for this retort but I just can't help it. Merians are still best I think. Well in terms of mobility that is, without arties and all. Though we all know we have lower health and all, but there are actually alot of options on how to kill despite your thirdskill, though I must admit Tarot provides more options. The problem with a merian is survival in combat (and inevitably bashing too, but then again if youre tanky enough you can overwhelm a spawn within a few turns)
Ceren2006-12-27 16:13:48
Merians don't have a bad offense, but mugwumps are a better version of the same concept, unless you're a healer. Even then mugwump bedevil may be a fair trade for the lower ego and mana. Merians may do a bit more damage, but mugwumps are better with afflictions and amissio, and both of them are still horribly weak on defense.
Aison2007-01-31 07:58:57
So Merian Celestines are not a good match of race? Looks like they would be a great match, as long as the merian could afford a regen artie or a con artie. My merian character doesn't have much health, but fortuna, plus seal of life, plus a TF sure makes her tanky.
Shamarah2007-01-31 11:58:04
QUOTE(Aison @ Jan 31 2007, 02:58 AM) 378961
So Merian Celestines are not a good match of race? Looks like they would be a great match, as long as the merian could afford a regen artie or a con artie. My merian character doesn't have much health, but fortuna, plus seal of life, plus a TF sure makes her tanky.


Imperial Merians are MAYBE as tanky as a wet paper bag.

On a dry day.

Merians make absolutely horrible Celestines. As a Celestine, you want to be either mugwump, aslaran, or a tanky race like loboshigaru/taurian.
Acrune2007-01-31 13:02:29
I was Celestine merian for a while. Was pretty rough.
Aison2007-01-31 16:25:00
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Jan 31 2007, 03:58 AM) 378981
Imperial Merians are MAYBE as tanky as a wet paper bag.

On a dry day.

Merians make absolutely horrible Celestines. As a Celestine, you want to be either mugwump, aslaran, or a tanky race like loboshigaru/taurian.


Hmm. But aren't the attacks int. based?
Razenth2007-01-31 18:00:38
Nothing that would get you a kill is int. based. 'Cept maybe amissio.