Sorry, I ment thats what is SOUNDS like you are saying, even though I know it isn't. But so far thats what the argument "talking points" sound like.

I totally think there's something that needs to be done with village conglutination. Peaceful villages are there for people who enjoy the influencing part of revolts. Yay that's great for them...completely peaceful 100% no fighting what-so-ever. On the other hand...there are agressive revolts for those who enjoy more combat flavor BUT WAIT..you can still use sanctuary and stop the fighting? Right, see the difference? Also Shiri you brought up that there are already things for the combat lover to do. HOWEVER none of those things provides as great a benefit as holding a village. Can I get tithes from raiding Celestia? I wish...how about if I need some wood..I know I'll just help my org win the wildnodes..wait hrm..golly gee! that doesn't work either!. It's definitely tipped towards the peaceful side at the moment and I hope it can be looked into.

PS I don't understand why you're allowed to sanctuary in agressive villages but cannot crusade in peaced ones.. :/

Getting power from angels and demons I think would count as titheing. Wildnodes events also. What you don't get are the commodities, which involves trade. However, Glomdoring with 0 villages has a fairly full commodity shop, we always have, because of competant trade ministers.

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For clarification, I'm not sideing with pro or con on the issue of conglute and village influencing. I'm just saying that if you want a conversation about it, I'm missing the conversation part. It sounds more like "I want X, why is X so hard to get! Why does Group B have it so much easier than me!" And not, like a conversation. Because so far I'm not hearing any actual logical/empircal arguments.

The reason for village conglutination was because resurrection skills were not balanced accross the various orgs. As a Seren with ranged instares, I'm not against removing village conglutination, since it wouldn't effect us in the slightest

Except against Celestians or Magnagorans. Or Glooms who can get to a shrine quickly (i.e spores) like they all seem to be able to.

I don't want it to be removed, I just want it to take longer for the person to conglutinate. It's hard to even clear a demesne even if you kill the holder because they pop back into it and set it up in 30 seconds. I don't know how the rest do it, but if I have the demesne and I get killed, I go reset it up as fast as I can without even deffing. And with the current conglutination in villages that takes me oh...what 10 seconds to get back into my demesne and start setting up?

They're called triggers, dear

With revolts you get FREE comms...that's the difference. Currently the violent alternatives only give power. Whereas with peaceful means you get tithes + power (library).

And 5 spare people with adept moon or above who can either flow or moonbeam to a coven leader before the corpse is obliterated or aren't involved in the influence at all...

EDIT: Update! It turns out that Glooms don't have to bother with the sporing back to a shrine, they can just instantly nullify resurgem as well.

That's why you put five moon users in a sanc with the village leader. Five who are shattered or who just suck at influencing.

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Why not make village conglutination give the same effect as being debated out? Then all you need to do is make it impossible to reject grace for a few minutes, and they're out of the real influence effort but don't have to endure the frustration of command/sensory lockout (while praying you can't see or do anything).

"As your sight goes dark, you glimpse derision in the eyes of the villagers around you and your spirit burns with the humiliation of your defeat."

You can influence under grace though.

That's why I suggested the same effect as being debated out.

I wouldn't mind that IF it was made that you both couldn't reject grace -and- had something similar to a shattered ego so that you couldn't influence.

Aye, I meant both. Shattered ego, thanks... I couldn't remember the exact term for it.

How would a delayed conglute work with resurgem, sacrifice and lich?

With resurgem, same as it does now. If the people are jerks and resurge you, you lose a bit more exp, don't get willpower/endurance restored, and that's about it. With transmigrate, if people resurge before it activates, you are resurged and don't transmigrate. Also really irritating. The Serenwilde has a project though with a list of people who have conlut and transmigrate, so when there's fighting, we know who to res and who's fine.