That is why I suggested that Demenses are ALWAYS breakable...

now I'm just confused....

I agree that they should be. However, it makes little sense to just allow those actions and not allow violent resistance to breaking demesnes aside from re-flooding/tainting/foresting/wyrding. That's why a time limit would make sense in this instance.

Is the help file wrong?

I'm wrong then, sorry. Never even noticed, since it is only 1 for as long as you need it, then.

I was afraid you might pull that on me but thought instead of editing it I'd just leave it and hope you didn't notice

Sanctuary, just like crusade fades over time.

Um, no, it doesn't.

Is that a recent change? I'm 90% sure I've seen sanctuary fade on me and died because of it.

No, sanctuary does not fade and never has. Maybe you moved.

Can't imagine that being a good idea, would make demesnes undefendable (run in, sanctuary, break, move on). On second thought, I don't like demesnes

Who does?

The situation is far more complicated than that, Daganev. If you make demesnes breakable with a sanc up, then you need to make realitycheck and chop doable with a sanc up, as they prevent breaks. Then you have made sanctuary an OP OFFENSIVE skill for breaking demesnes. Enter room you want to break, sanc, break, move to next room, sanc/break, etc. This is not a good thing.

Forren and I have ideas for solutions that will not make sanctuary an offensive weapon.

The solution Forren posted that would make demesnes "not an offensive weapon" is not a good one for reasons previously discussed. Is there another?

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Sorry I don't buy that argument.

Smart people would set up defenses at key breakpoints and keep up crusade with their army making sure nobody broke their demesne. Since if you design your demesne correctly, then like in the old days when there was no sanc or crusade, you would only have 1 or 2 breakpoints anyways. And then you defend those points, instead of having some newb sitting there with Sanc up.

You couldn't have a one person demesne holding down an entire opposing army, but you can't have that on Cosmic either.

You fail to address the issue I presented with your "simple" solution that doesn't take into account reality or side effects.

Demenses can be broken... any skill that is required to break a demesne is also allowed. Thats why "Demenses can be broken" means. Thats why I didn't give specifics on what skills would be allowed through.

A bad demesne setup would be if the holders forgot to crusade the breakpoints. If crusade is up, sanctuary is not an effective tool, save to protect you from demesne affects. (but thats defensive)

Sling rad at crusade user. Sanctuary. Break while INVULNERABLE. Repeat.

Or point gust enchant at crusade user. Sanctuary. Break while INVULNERABLE. Repeat.

That shouldn't be easy to do. i.e. you shouldn't know who the crusader is, and if you figure it out, you should be getting attacked and killed a bit to much by the fighters to be able to time things perfectly between multiple people. If you do, then congratulations, you pulled off a successful plan.

Demesne should not be invisible, and if you can't put up your own demesne in sanctuary then what does it matter, the place will stay undemesned.


Its possible to hold a demense, and its not possible to keep it forever. == dynamic combat.

Did you just say you should crusade break points with a huge army? Obviously you don't have much experience in village revolts because 1) army B,C or D could come in and break in your crusaded breaking point and 2) you have a group of people just standing there instead of influencing