Ok, thats great. But its not why the record industry finally stopped losing money.

Borland C++ Builder Personal license doesn't allow updates. Quite a long time ago, after finding out that XML components are bugged, I tried to get an update to fix that, but I couldn't.

Let's have more of those links, Phred.. I'm finding them extremely interesting. And watching you pwn poor ol'Veri is amusing too

Thats a perfectly valid statement, you are paying the police with your tax money, and the police change their views and actions depending on the tax payers as a whole want. Whats your point?



I like the example of food.

There is no such thing as rights, you have no right to food, shelter, water, software anything. I don't believe that anyone has a right to anything, yes sure it would be nice if everyone could get them I'm not saying people shouldn't get them if you know what I mean just that there is no such thing as a fundamental right to anything in this world at all, you have food and water because your able to get them no more no less, and there are people who don't get them regulary.

You have food and water because you want it and you can take it, no more no less, I can take software that I want. No real differences, no good, no bad, no evi,l no light just wants, were all just animals anyway.

As a note as everyones talking about music, the music industry's profits have been increasing consistantly over here anyway so piracy dosn't prevent them from increasing their profit in anyway.

Sorry about my last post, that was more of a random rant. If you want, we can discuss it in another thread, but it'll probably just make me want to punch Daganev in the face even more; that response was absolutely retarded.

Back on topic:

So you're saying that the record industry stopped losing money because they're finally starting to get a clue what we want? OMFG, who would have thought? As Verithrax said, you're paying about the same for songs or for a CD; songs give you more flexibility and convenience, usually, while CDs get you more stuff. Fine by me. The DRM still pisses me off, but I can accept the neccessity.

As for IP law and such, copyright right now is absolutely ridiculous. 70 years past the creator's death? His great-grandchildren can get their own goddamn jobs and make their own money. Disney and such are trying to kill public domain so they can continue to line their pockets without coming up with any new ideas. Extending it to the life of the artist is fine with me; it is his work, after all. But when it comes to corporations, it's just silly.

When it comes to patents, they're not so bad, if the people granting them would down the freaking pipe.

If people say they don't look out for their needs and try to make their own lifes as comfortable as possible in a selfish manner then they are probally just lieing.

It's an utterly invalid point. Your tax money pays 0.0000000000001% of the policeman's salary. If that.

If you look at it that way, no one has any say over anything, even though we all pay for it.

Interesting, but someone mentioned earlier that you can get a legal copy of windows in the Philippines for 15,000 pesos...

Eh?

The police are accountable to the Home Office, and the Home Office to Parliament. Members of Parliament are elected, and thus nominally representative of the country. If you have a problem with a police man, you write to your MP or to the Home Office, and if the problem is seen to be a viable one, and it is in the interests of the public to resolve it, it is resolved.

So, I can look at it that way as much as I like, while still having a say.

Ah, only a bit more than entire month's salary, that's better.

Could the people without a clue stop trying to involve other countries? You don't see me talking about how bad Mexico has it, because I don't know a goddamn thing about Mexico. How can you argue with someone when you get all your information from them?

If you're referring to me, you may substitute the various UK specific details for American ones. It still makes sense and my point still stands.

Of course. I wasn't saying you should bitch at the guy during a traffic stop, because you don't pay his salary. But you, plural, do. In the US at least, I'm pretty sure every last bit of a police officer's salary comes from taxmoney. So in a sense, yes, you are paying him. That doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, it just means you're paying good money to get arrested. Your quote just made it sound like police are paid from some mysterious non-tax source of funding, so I thought I'd poke at it.



Callia, mostly. If you do know, that's great. I just find it weird that she's trying to use data that doesn't agree with her to prove her point against the person who provided that data.

Patents are ridiculous for software... there are people patenting the tiniest bits of user interface design, the most trivial programming techniques, even stuff as stupid as a method for listening samples of audio files off a webpage.

Frankly, if you work on something - A book, a music album, a movie - you shouldn't expect to be paid for it the rest of your life. Most of us aren't so lucky as to get paid for the rest of our lives for work done during the course of three years; copyrights should last five years, extensible once for a fee - If you can't make something else in ten years that people will pay for, then you're obviously not a hugely productive creator that deserves ridiculous protection for his work. If you want to live comfortably after retirement, do as the rest of us do and invest in a pension pĺan.

Oh, and Phred, the author there doesn't address the fact that some people have legacy hardware (You can run Ubuntu Edgy Eft on a 1997 PC. Just try doing that with Windows XP. Actually, try running Windows Vista on any pre-2005 computer.) And that hard drive memory isn't the only problem; RAM, and processor cycles are, too. And let's not go into the issue of how many security exploits there are for Windows and Windows software...

There's a reason Linux dominates the server market - It quite simply does not crash until you try something funny, like run a buggy kernel module or mess around with pre-alpha software. Without any GUI niceties, it boots up in a matter of seconds. It stays up for months without rebooting. It runs on any old hardware you have, no matter how old. It upgrades seamlessly. Since you don't have to buy licenses and can install it over a network on a mass of computers simultaneously, it scales cheaply. It has few exploits and those exploits that do exist are corrected very, very fast - I distinctly remember a critical security flaw in Ubuntu being fixed overnight in a weekend. If something like this happened to Windows, it would probably have waited until the following Thursday at least. Linux demonstrates that there is a level of security and stability which is obtainable, but quite simply non-existent in Windows. It basically proves that Microsoft is so incompetent, it would seem, that as a multi-billion dollar corporation it can't afford to beat a system that is developed basically for free (Or so its opponents would have you believe, of course - Lots of people pour money into Linux development, but I don't think their investment compares to Microsoft's payroll.

Speaking of crashing Linux: Any clue why I can't boot into mine? It locks up on 'Restoring Session' when it tries to boot KDE, or when I try to switch it to load Gnome. Any easy way to reinstall it?

Yes, software patents are obscene, but if we had a patent office that would stop granting stupid like "clicking on a button" and actually took into account prior use and such, patents in general would be pretty decent.

Sounds like it's trying to run some software that crashes your system which you were running last session. What kind of crash is it, though? Kernel panic, or does X hang? Can you control-alt-backspace, or does the system hang unrecoverably?

I happened to go to traffic school yesterday. Not all money comes from taxes. Interestingly enough, Most fines don't go to the police either. Depending on how your state/county/city are set up various amounts of money comes from various amounts of places. For example, I was just listening on NPR how many of the stadiums that host bowls are actually owned by the cities, and the money generated from ticket sales go to various things like fire and police.

Fines shouldn't go to the police, as there shouldn't be an incentive for them to fine people.

Ah, neat, hadn't thought of that.

Unrecoverable. I open up Sessions, anything I click hangs the system. Can log in fine, but it hangs while loading KDE. Last time I opened it was when I had to actually do some serious work, which was install. No clue what I did. Can log into recovery terminal fine, just no clue how to actually recover.

I don't remember where KDE stores its session recovery files. Does Gnome start? What about a bare WM?