I thought it was poignant and touching


I love the idea of Raven, all wise and soulful and kind. Every few weeks I'll reread the Celestine Empire history and Mugwumpois' Book and weep woeful tears when I think of Crow/Raven.

Yeah, I liked that one. Especially when Hart seemed to tell Raven and Raven figured it out and got sad.

Pffh, Crow is so much cooler. And the whole friends became enemies concept is far better than the frolicing bird laughing around concept.
Go go, Crow!

You know what I always thought would be way neat, was if something happened to empower the little Raven inside Crow and Crow became schizophrenic, and every now and then Raven would break through, and maybe one of Crow's aspects would have reverted to Raven's. I think that would be cooler than both Raven or Crow

You'd just like to have the Blacktalon even more shizo than we already are.

*cough* emo *cough*

Seriously though, that whole event was pretty touching as far as the commune interactions go. It's like a dead man being given 1 week back on earth with his family. (I think there was a movie about that I've seen)

This exchange has to go down in history as one of the most beautiful and touching events of Lusternia for me, ever. I am seriously in awe of whoever was involved, thank you all for realizing the true potential of the story.

It lives up to the heart-wrenching loss that is in every line of Rowena's final diary entry.

That, Astraea, has got to be the best idea I've seen yet to hit the forums.

I must be missing something, I don't see whats so great about this to label it the best thing ever.

Because this is what I like to call, a what-if fantasy. What-if Raven hadn't been all Crowinized, would Gloriana and Serenwilde be here and friends and the coolest of pals. And this makes people think "what-if" there is a way to unCrow Raven. And this definitely makes people think 'what-if' Raven is still alive deep inside Crow. And then we have the other side of it--'what-if' Crow was just being deceitful. 'What-if it was all just an illusion.' And -then- you start thinking about Mother Night. 'What-if' Mother Night can be 'saved' too. 'What-if' Mother Night reverted like Crow did? 'What-if' she never was tainted to begin with? And the what-ifs spiral out of control and soon you're living in fantasy. That's what makes this little blip in the event so meaningful. It not only leaves the door open for the potential (if not temporary) reemergence of Raven again at later dates, but it also has implications about the Forest and Mother Night. And let's not forget the what-ifs about Crow Aspects and Night Avatars--What if they were untainted/wyrded, what would they look like? So it's a nice little group of world emotes with long reaching implications. This is the sort of thing that could reinvigorate people, maybe enough to bring back the Gloriana movement Serenwilde had as it seems to have faded to all but nonexistence.

How would you say Glomdoring being more like Serenwilde would be more interesting from a story point of view?

I don't mean that as a hostile question; just a question.

Ok, thats not what people seem to be saying is "the best thing ever" They seem to be saying that "the best thing ever" is Hart and Raven meeting in the sky and then having a bunch of deer cry.

Oh, it probably wouldn't, but the thing that makes it a fun thing to think about is that it -isn't- what happened. I'm sure if Gloriana got returned or never tainted, and Serenwilde and them snuggled up, if there was an event where the taint reemerged in Gloriana, or they got tainted, people would think it just as cool. It's the whole that's-not-what-happened-but-what-if-it-did thing.


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Well, the little meeting was all nice because Raven and Hart were the best of friends, and now they hate each other, and so for this brief respite, they managed to reconnect even though Raven would revert, and Hart would fight against him--It's the whole deeper meaning of the meeting, not just the lolz deer tears.

No, the best thing ever is what the story means, as well as the words with which it's told. In specific, the bittersweet circumstance of knowing that this glimpse of what's been lost will be lost again, which is intense for White Hart, but twice as intense for Raven.

Of course, your character would not consider Raven's doom to be a doom, for the same reason Crow doesn't -- you're already afflicted by it. If that afflicts you, the player, too, enough to be unable to see the agonizing hope of being free of it but knowing it will consume you again soon, then I just hope there's some bit of beauty you're getting to see that the rest of us aren't, just so things are fair.

umm, ok.

Whole thread in general.

This whole thing, it's just...things like this that really make this "world" we spend our free time in all the better. In other games, evil is evil, no hope for Professor Baddie... but to have Raven back, even for a little while, it just feels so, touching y'know? Even Crow hasn't forgotten his old friend, and he's sad that he can't be as buddy-buddy with WhiteHart anymore, but he still cares about him, and it hurts them both to know that this taste of old times won't last.

Well, either way..this has got to happen again, it's just to good of an event to just leave off there. This would make a good RP oppertunity.

For Glomdoring this can be an event that's a tragedy for different reasons. For us, it's a tragedy because it shows how bigoted and foolishly proud spirit Stag has become - that as soon as Crow looks like Raven again, he accepts him. But then goes away because he cannot accept the better being Raven has become. It's the jealousy, envy, and denial that Stag has come to embody.

Crow reverted to Raven, it was Raven who met up with WhiteHart. I don't quite understand where did the assumption that Crow -recalled- his friend suddenly pop out from.

Ladantine reverted,the Geomancers and Demon Lords reverted- same happened to Crow.

What happened to the Demon Lords?

My OOC speculations + IC view:

During the event where the taint went away, the only things changed in Glomdoring were the birds and Crow/Raven. Rowena is wyrded (or tainted), but she didn't revert. Same for the Ebonglom Wyrdling. No changing back to Gib. Lhiannan, Glumki and Gwyllgi didn't change either. (Although I'm not sure if they were wyrded in the first place.) And I don't know if the Crow aspects changed.

In other words, don't you find it suspicious that so much changed in Magnagora, yet only Crow turned to Raven and songbirds started flying around. So, like Viravain said, how do you know if it wasn't just Crow being a trickster and wearing a Raven suit?

All this is just speculation, and giving my POV and opinion. I'm not trying to change anyone's POV, just trying to tell you not to be too fixed on the whole 'wyrd is taint thats why crow turned into raven' thing.