Well right now they don't matter because they are still not in effect to my knowledge. Or at leasts that's what people keep saying when I ask..

And yeah.. die Dairuchi!!

It'd be awesome if a Plateau village (with lucidians/trill) or something could be released to revolt along with Dairuchi. Dairuchi is the only village that revolts by itself and every community goes after it at once.

That village revolt took TOO LONG.

You can read all about that debate on other parts of the forum.

People said that they wanted to have atleast one free for all village, because otherwise each revolt would either go to Mag/glom or Seren/Celest. Lets not argue with popular opinion from 8 months ago!

POLITICS NEWS #619
Date: 1/10/2007 at 16:40
From:
To : Everyone
Subj: Dairuchi Celebrations

The celebrations in Dairuchi roar across the Basin, as the dracnari there
engage in drunken festivities. In their inebriated state, they declare
themselves free and no longer under the sphere of influence of the Righteous
Principality of New Celest.



POLITICS NEWS #620
Date: 1/10/2007 at 23:47
From:
To : Everyone
Subj: Political Upheaval in the Village of Dairuchi

This day, the Village of Dairuchi has pledged its support and resources to the
Righteous Principality of New Celest.

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Pshhh, 7 hours is nothing!

I'm really upset at the suggestion to have the majority of the revolts targetted at American players. This is not fair, because as an Asian player, I already lose out on many things, such as having more players online, the Divine online, and many events. Such things cannot be controlled, as I assume most of the Divine live in that part of the world and having events at 1 am or so their time would not benefit anyone, so I take that in my stride.

However, once you suggest to have only one revolt outside of American time, that means that the rest of the world has to share just one slot. Already with now all of the revolts potentially happening at my time, I've only seen -two- revolts. Do you know how upset I was when Glomdoring got Rockholm and Angkrag, and it wasn't even possible for me to be there, simply because of my timezone?.

And as for the suggestion for weightage for peak periods, I ALWAYS log in at times with not more than 50 people online. Unless I log on in the middle of the night just to have the possibility of seeing a revolt, that means that I'll practically never see one.

Furthermore, I'm an influencer. I created my character because I wanted to influence villages for Glomdoring. Yes, I admit that I meta-gamed a bit, but I've come up with RP and IC reasons for my OOC decisions. For both times I've seen a revolt, I was GR1 and of very low level. One of those times, the only people in Glomdoring was Xenthos and a bunch of GR1s. Both times I tagged along, trying to help out and familiarise myself with village influencing. I didn't get to help much beyond annoying people with fear and vines, but I managed to get the gist of how a village revolt feels. I worked very hard to earn my GR3 so that I could finally influence villages. I practiced debating with people just so that I can familiarise myself with it. And now, you want to tell me that just because you want to be able to influence -more- villages, I don't get to except for very very occasionally?

And in case you didn't notice, I am very upset.

Dairuchi was originally paired up with Angkrag (when this idea was suggested by Estarra on forums). I posted, and it was more or less generally accepted, that this would be unfair given that it is more or less impossible for Celest or Serenwilde to feasibly influence Angkrag, thus making the 2 village competition idea flawed. The decision was made to lump Angkrag in with Rockholm/Southgard and let Dairuchi stand on its own. While still not ideal, it is a much better setup than having Angkrag revolt with Dairuchi imo.

You'd probably feel about like most of the US does right now. Where you say you always log in when there are only about 50, there are usually closer to 150 when I log in, and Dairuchi is the first revolt I've participated in at all in quie awhile (even then it was mostly just running from Forren/Soll/Vesar/etc., trying to protect Athana's demesne).



Unfortunately, this is kind of the way the game works. While I can understand how you feel, you are unfortunately in the minority. Lusternia will never be able to make everyone happy. Still, the admin can't completely ignore the minorities either. So, the solution is that the game should be weighted toward the majority. That doesn't mean that things won't happen off-peak time (for the minority of the playerbase to enjoy), but that the majority of things should be geared toward the majority of the playerbase.

EDIT: To clarify, I am not in favor of making only one revolt occur outside of US prime time. I am in favor of weighting the revolts toward more active times.

Like I've said, being in the minority already brings some disadvantages which cannot be changed. Things like events (shorter ones, that is) are already held in peak periods, interaction with leaders and Divine (I have to stay up past 10pm just to see Shayle), and such. Already, majority of things -are- geared to the majority. You've just grown to take that for granted. I know that there are disadvantages, and have learnt to deal with them and even take advantage of being in a off-peak period.


Perhaps I should have clarified myself. This is the current situation, where it is fair, meaning everyone has an equal chance of seeing a revolt. Already, the time between each revolt is fairly long (My opinion).

Now, both your suggestion and Visaeris' suggestion are similar. When you weigh it towards peak periods, it means that more people = more likely to have revolts. This means, most would occur during American times, maybe European times. When you compare it to Visaeris' solution, it still means the same thing: even less chance for a revolt to happen at my time.

Look at it this way. The current duration between revolts is roughly 5 days (going by READNEWS POLITICS). There are 5 different revolts. So now, I have a chance every 5 days. With Visaeris' solution, it means that I have a chance every 25 days. I have no idea how the weightage system for peak periods can possibly, so I'll make one up. Lets say being at 150 population compared to me at 50 population means that you'll have 3X chance to have a revolt. This means that I have a 1 out 4 chance to have a revolt in non-peak periods. (Of course, this is a madeup weightage system, but that is what is likely to happen)

To summarise,
Current: every 5 days
Visaeris: every 25 days
mitbull: every 15 days

And these simply mean that I have a chance. I play at most 2-4 hours, and there are 24 hours, so I get a roughly 10-15% chance every 5 days. I'm assuming that most people play after work or school, so peak period will be about 6pm-10pm? So I get 2-4 hours out of 20 hours, which means 10-20% every 25 days. Your solution means I have to fight with other non-peak periods for the non-peak slots. I have no idea what other non-peak times population are, so I can't calculate that.

Summary:
Current: 10-15% every 5 days
Visaeris: 10-20% every 25 days
mitbull: ?% every 15 days

Compare with your time. Current will be same as mine, 10-15% every 5 days. Visaeris' would mean 100% every five days except for once every 25 days which will be 0%. And yours will mean you will get about 3 fourths of the revolts. Since its peak, almost likely to be 90%.

Summary:
Current: 10-15% every 5 days
Visaeris: 100% every 5 days, except every 25 days will have 0%
mitbull: 90% every 5 days for 3/4 of revolts, 10% for the remaining

I'm hoping that you can see from my point of view. What I'm saying after all this, is that when there is a option to be fair to the minority timezones, don't pick the one which is unfair to those in the minority.


Disclaimer: My calculations are very rough, and I may have made some mathematical error in the theory, so correct me, or give me your point of view if possible.

East Coast people are moderately handicapped. 3 hours does make a bit of a difference.

Perhaps instead of a hard-coded time rotation, the admin could start collecting data about server population at various times throughout the day and essentially create a weighted timetable, making it less likely (though possible) for villages to go into play during off peak hours: if 10% of the population were to be on at a given time, they would get 10% of the revolts, while if 90% of the population were on, they would get 90% of the revolts.

Basically, you are right. You personally would be further disadvantaged if the changes we're suggested were made.

The problem, however, is that the vast majority of village influences right now occur during off-peak times for the majority of people. Villages have a huge affect on the game, power income, etc. and as such they should be regulated by the majority.

Let's say we all (i.e. the whole basin) wanted to get together to vote on some major decision. Obviously we can't pick a time where every single person will really be there, but it's an important decision. Which would make more sense, to set a gathering time during peak hours when more people will be there, or during off-peak hours?

That's how I see villages. They're important to all of us, but so long as only the minority of people ever participate in them, it's that small minority which makes a major impact on the majority, when it should be the other way around.

EDIT: re to blastron, that's exactly what I would like to see happen.

Villages are important, but they're not game-warpingly important. Glomdoring had survived without a single village for so long. Also, they are not off peak the majority of the time for the majority of people. They are off peak the majority of the time for -everyone-.

Your example is not valid. If you want an example, its like saying this. The Krokani/Aslarans and Gorgogs are always bashed out during peak periods. During off-peak, there are less people, which means that there are such mobs standing around, being used only by the minority. Since experience and gold are so important, they should respawn less often off-peak and respawn more often during peak periods. Too bad for being in the minority, you get the minority share of experience and gold.

As for your example, it is already so. Do you think I can ever attend any of the meetings? Isn't the Town Hall meeting a important discussion?

And as for the majority having the majority of the impact, does this mean that no matter how hard or how good someone is, if he is in the minority, he'll just be able to contribute so little and gain so little?

And this is almost exactly like discrimination. Just replace Lusternia with any country, timezones with race/age/gender, and village revolt probability with rights and see how it looks like. (Because I feel that it is a right for everyone to be able to influence revolts.)

"Too bad that you are in the minority race/gender/age. You'll have to learn to accept that being in the minority means less rights for you. Also, you're in the minority, so you'll only get to affect the nation in a small way, because the majority should be getting to change the country."

Lastly, village influence is advertised as a feature of Lusternia. If someone sees that an individual can help to affect the city/commune and gets interested in Lusternia, only to find out that they have to live in America or peak areas to qualify for that, how would that person feel?

Try to do that. Because, that is exactly how I feel.

Heh, villages are more of a detriment than anything else, as Glomdoring is proving in more than one way.

No comment.

Hey, I liked our coordinated multi-village attacks. And it wasn't all kick-and-run. We went in and killed as much as we could.


Mmmh. Tae'dae cub blood.

That's not what I was referring to actually.

Elaborate for me? Hm. What did you mean?

The way you're putting it, it makes it sound like there's a "prime-time" shift, and a "non-prime-time" shift - all the non-prime players play for the 18 non-prime hours, which is wrong. If you play 4 hours/day, you have 1/6th of a chance to see each revolt. If I play for 4 hours/day, I have the same chance. I think Caerulo's going a bit far with the discrimination/rights interpretation, but I agree with the sentiment. Just because the majority of revolts currently happen in non-prime times doesn't mean non-prime players are seeing more of them than you.

Wha? I'd like to play off peak, actually. Bashed out hunting grounds do far more than villages, Caerulo. I'd rather get thousands of gold from gorgogs or something (yay always bashed out and so is Cancer and so are krokani and so are aslaran so I only hunt the water plane which is only slightly less bashed out) than get a village.
AND the way you put it, Caerulo, say 90% of the playerbase gets equally treated as 10% of the playerbase (say 12 hours for each one). Is it denial of rights to give 90% of the revolts to the 90% of the playerbase? That is actually denial of civil rights and 'racism,' according to your analogy, like extreme preferential treatment for the 10% of the playerbase. Simpler: There are 9 people with brown eyes and 1 person with blue eyes. Should the brown eyed group get a cookie, and the blue eyed one as well, since if the brown eyed group would be preferentially treated if they got a cookie each instead? Similarly, should 90% of the populace get more of a say in government than 10% of the populace? If they get equal say, this in fact discrminates against the 90%, as the 10% can equally affect the government as the entire 90% can.

That basically sums it up.

90% of the population should se 90% of the revolts. 10% of the population should see 10% of the revolts. It's basically a fair division. I could give more examples, but I think Gandal has done a pretty good job summarizing.