Why does everyone think Elostian is a pacifist? That was Elcyrion, Elostian is no more pacifistic than Viravain and a great deal less so than Lacostian. He does not scream for blood like Morg, Shik and Charune but if you think he's a pacifist you honestly need to spend more time with him.

Okay. Sorry. This bothers me.

RP is important, sure, and fanatical belief is part of that. But so is the RP of statesmanship and hard decisions. The Celest-Gloom alliance did not just pop out of a hat: there were OOC weeks of negotiation and back-and-forth. Celest's leaders made the decision that it was better to tolerate the Wyrd as a somewhat acceptable form of nature in order to have access to our herbs and alchemy and be able to nimbly deal with Serenwilde then merely dismiss us as taint-spawn. It actually brought great advantage to Celest: by being on tolerable terms with both of the communes, they can deal with either of them without fear of losing alchemy.

It's no more turdlike then the alliance between Magnagora and Serenwilde, which have if anything more reasons to be fighting each other. I find your dismissal of this as 'turdlike' rather simplistic, literal, and unsophisticated. I expect better from you by now.

I'm going to attempt to ignore the patronising overtones of your post and respond to your points without chargrilling you.

Your post divides into two paragraphs. The first justifies the Celest/Glomdoring relationship, by explaining that there was a very great amount of concilatory work in game so that the relationship might be a viably RP one. Paradoxically, the second rather destroys this argument by likening Celest/Glomdoring to Magnagora/Serenwilde - which I also regard as highly excremental.. and you will notice that Aiakon continues to loathe the Serenwilde in rather the same vein as Ardrak, who also continues to advocate for its destruction.

I'm not saying that Celestians should have a 'black and white' either it's taint or it's not view. I'm not saying that because they hate the Taint in Mag, they should hate the Glomdoring. What I am saying is that those Celestians who loudly proclaim their hatred for the Taint should not be snuggling glommos at the Master Ravenwood - they might choose to accept Glomdoring for political expendiency and because they accept that it's a different type of taint.. or not even the taint at all, but they should be damn wary of it.

Happy, Hazar?

Every time Serenwilde allies with one of the cities they take it too far. Instead of maintaining a political relationship while at the same time recognizing the cities as organizations essentially opposed to us, they think that the Taint/Light is the best thing since fae spirits. We had Serens saying how sad they were to see some of their friends in Magnagora get untainted during the serpent event. Bollocks.

Except all of the events to get to the final Ascension event are PvP...except the beauty contest, and I KNOW I don't stand a chance at that.

Oh, and *fanboy squeal* A God posted in my thread! Wee!!

And regarding the whole "Eww, Gloom likes Celestian Gods" deal, Lucan hates people who call him tainted. He feels he is above the taint and would not succumb to it (even though his sister is a lot more down-to-earth about that whole deal) and would rather be around those who are purified, as they too are above the taint. He visited Celest once and even commented at how surprising it was that one who lived in such darkness could love a city full of light.

You're right.

They shouldn't.

They also don't, that I'm aware of-- it's behaviour that is "inappropriate" for a guest.

I haven't been snuggled once by a Celestian. Talkan said he liked me, which made me happy, but no, no snuggling. Aside from the fact that people here aren't nearly as snuggly as, say, Achaea or Aetolia, Lucan would bite the head off of anyone who so much as wrapped their arm around him affectionately, save a few select people.

Follow Morgfyre.

!?!?

Who did that last bit?

Er.. yeah?

I just told one he better not become all lovey dovey, hugs and lighty.

Happier, yes. I'll try to reply with a similiarly sportsmanlike lack of charcoal.

First paragraph - alright, point taken. But your second point completely destroys your argument, because that is the situation.

I don't really know if you read my first post or not, but if you had, you would notice that I mentioned it is against guild law to follow Morgy.

Lly et al.

In any case, Ely's reaction to the alliance with Magnagora has definitely been wary. It's actually been interesting playing out the interactions, since one of her major customers is there, and he's done a fair amount of trying to make her relax. He's succeeded in that she believes he's not pure scum, at least! However, I'd still be a lot happier with an alliance with Celest like we had before, because the Taint still makes her really uncomfortable, and so does not having a good way to justify the alliance to outsiders.

I still don't get why people think we do have an alliance with Magnagora...isn't it just that we leave each other alone outside of villages etc. and Krellan goes up to defend Nil? Or has something happened since I stepped down?

Right. I just worded it badly. A bit distracted and headachy... There's not even anything formally written down about it that I know of.

The answer to that is: Elostian would suggest to you several dozen times that you leave the order until you finally take the hint and do. Personal experience.

Finally, you all admit to it.

She fixed it in a later post. No alliance, just trade really.

In which case we'll just have to differ. From my perspective it absolutely is not the situation. Oddly enough, I would not have bothered to post in the first place if I thought it was.

Edit: If it was not already sufficiently clear, 'Celestians snuggling glommos at the Ravenwood' was intended to be figurative - referring to a 'kind' of behaviour, rather than a specific instance. As you well knew, Xenthos.