So that's only a problem for a hypothetical group of people who don't really exist, anyway.

I don't know if it's peak, but yes, there is a time where a small number do spontaneously reappear, implemented to prevent extinction if I recall correctly.


Very much incorrect. Mages and guardians are forced to take highmagic, which means they also may not take either herbs or poisons. So the actual count is 4 city types and 8 commune types, assuming bards may take lowmagic (and I see no reason that they should not be allowed to), and making the final tally 8/12 of the guilds being unable to harvest through guard.



They do where it has the lower-case n. Sorry, off topic and probably not funny either.

Actually, in some cases it isn't a concern of profit. That non-Nature herbalist would happen to be me. Hiriako was infuriated not that he couldn't get sparkleberry to sell, as gold isn't really a concern, but rather that he couldn't get sparkleberry to keep himself stocked enough to fight when necessary. In his mind, the situation was resolved when Krellan stated that he would provide the herb, without charge, to those unable to obtain it themselves due to nature guarding.

Would like just clarify about flooding killing herbs.

Yes flooding is killing plants but its quite slow process. And no way to kill plant in a few minutes, unless there is like only one herb in a spot.
From what i was testing in flooded room herbs were growing, not growing or dieing at end of each day.
So its safe to say that 1 herb will die every 2 days. And one will grow every 1 day.
Or something close to that.

wow I didn't even notice this thread till mitbulls told me. Hrm anyways, I do have rp reasons for doing this as well as a business sense for it. I have actually been guarding these two spheres since just before the end of my rogueship and right when I asked to rejoin Serenwilde. It's taken awhile of planning to do since I knew I'd have to wait for stock to run out for any profit to come in and I needed to contact other nature herbalists to come to some sort of arrangement. That being said, I did indeed talk to several other nature herbalists about this. The only thing I say about price is to keep it high to outsiders or city people and sell as low as you want to Serens provided it's a reasonable. I think the best prices used to be 25 gp.

I also guard the herb because I specialize in sparkleberry. I don't harvest any other herb accept on necessity which doesn't happen often because Krellan is cheap and picks up herbs from fights as well as lends out his gloves and takes a small cut from the people that use them. My mistletoe stock is actually quite large since I never sold it in the past and there was a point in time where I gathered a large stock of every herb, and now I've finally got a use for them. I've actually only harvested 100 mistletoe since I started this whole tihng. As mitbulls said earlier and as corroborated by Hiriako, this helps Serenwilde and was one of my intentions. Another intention was to keep city herbalists from harvesting. Krellan got sick of Serenwilde bowing down to Celest and so he is attempting to give Serenwilde even a tiny bit of leverage. Not only that but he has heard of city herbalists who want to sell at 25 per all around which undercuts the current market value and even some that want to sell at 15 per, and said person shall be unnamed. As every single other herb has been undercut but newbies and city herbalists to 5gp per because it's an easy tradeskill to make some cash from, he's preserving one herb out of several.

To you Elysiana, you haven't asked to buy my sparkleberry since the last time I was a Seren. Since I started my plan with support or indifference from the other nature herbalists of Seren, I only continued my prices for outsiders and lowered the price for Commune members a bit.

Another note I heard was about me harvesting it out all the time and that's not even true. I actually just leave it growing. I constantly and to the point of daily when Krellan is awake, go up to astral and nature growth every room possible. I mostly just leave it there growing guarded, until the point where it threatens to be full a room of 60 or or predict it will grow to full before I have a chance to check up on it again. And so I do the logical thing of harvesting it so that it can keep growing and isn't stunted by any lack of space.

As said before I'll supply sparkleberry for free for Serens who can harvest it but can't due to guard so that they have their own personal stock. If they want to be selling it, reach me IG and I'm sure there's some agreement that can be made since that agreement was made on the spot of the argument where Seren's brought up the guarding issue. Hrm I should probably make a post to Serens about this too.

LOL Mitbulls = Krellan

Wtf?

They were accused of being the same person a while back. Even though it's demonstrably not the case, I thought I'd raise the point again and see what I could stir up.

heh I never even had an account on the forums when Amaru said that. Ironically I ran over it randomly when I joined. Mitbulls is Derina! (some might call him Derian)

Simple solution to this.

Vote Krellan off the island.


Or keep an eye on him and kill him every time he goes to astral.

Eventually he'll either get tired of dying, or he'll die down to small enough he can't handle the astral monsters on his own.

like you could ever kill me. I may be bad but I'm not THAT bad

Lol, yes, you are.

Anyway, if Forren is complaining about Spheres being drained so he can't bash there, he should, hypotethically also complain about you guarding plants so that only you can harvest them. While you may share your sparkles freely with your Seren friends, you are just griefing everyone else. *shrug* Stupid, in my oppinion.

You were all right to start with, I am Krellan.

From now on, I promise to give Derian all of the gold, credits, and herbs he wants for free. If anyone catches me trying to get out of this, please kill me over and over until I come back to my senses.

Damn. I'm one skill below Sparklies.

Then I should get a cut of whatever you get when you beg for spheres/circlet. And you're right, I haven't asked to buy your sparkleberry - I buy from people I trust to be reasonable suppliers, and your behavior towards me in the past has convinced me that I don't want to have anything to do with you in business terms. (And I also haven't had a request for a vitae keg in a while, so my personal stock is still adequate.) Plus if it weren't for the nature guard stunt, I could just ask Hiri to harvest it for me.

First, he offers you sparklies for a very low price (though you accused him of doing otherwise). Second, he offers Hiri sparklies for free for his own stock, and agrees to make a deal to help Hiri gather some to sell. If you choose not to buy from him, it's your own choice.

What were your complaints again, that the Moonhart Circle was acting upon?

You should back off. I'm getting very tired of your attacks on our actions. You're not even Seren, how do you know what we've actually done? We've said that it's being handled IG based on IC information, and so it is.

Also, I'd need to see the numbers on what he's offering them at before I'd agree that he's offering them at "a very low price".

Personally, I'm just miffed he's doing it -knowingly- and completely snuffing out a good portion of people's business for those who do want Sparkleberries, and/or sell them cheaper than he does.

Especially when he guards -in the room you're harvesting, right in front of you-

A couple of ideas I was thinking of-- the one I like the most first.

A new rituals ability, called "Disrupt." Costs: 1p, 1 wormwood, standing in a Nature Guarded room. When cast:

"You close your eyes and begin a soft, rhythmic chant. At first, nothing happens-- then the plant life begins to writhe, seeming to draw back from you as vitality is drained from it. You open your eyes with a feeling of triumph as you see the results of your efforts-- the comforting grasp of Nature upon this land has been destroyed."

This would NOT be enchantable. I like it mostly because it would be a city/commune point of contention, it would give the cities a nature thing that they COULD destroy if they so desired. Paladin / Ur'Guard herbalists could remove it and harvest, or an herbalist could hire any ritualist to remove it (Communes *could* see a reason to hire it, IF they deem that its guarding is detrimental to Nature-- ie, prohibits replanting when the plants are nowhere near hibernation).

Another idea would be: A nature skill that costs 0p, 1 mistletoe, and returns the room to its original state pre-Guard. This could NOT be used when any herb in the room is in hibernation or is one month from hibernation. This makes less RP sense-- a Nature user isn't as likely to want to remove guard.

A similar idea could be instituted for Herbalism. 2p, 1 mistletoe, returns the room to its original state pre-guard, cannot be used when any herb in the room is in hibernation or one month from hibernation.

I still like the first the most, though, even though I wouldn't have direct access to it, it seems the most "fun" from an RP sense.

Gah, that first idea would screw over commune Knights. *sniffles melodramatically* That said, it's interesting. No wormwood though. If you're going to do that, we need another swamp area, and a huge one. Mistletoe works for this because there are two huge forests which are able to supply it. Wormwood tends to be a bit more difficult to get.