Sylphas2007-01-17 05:51:17
Or you get a cubix and none of that really applies.
Water is also open PK, and has aggressive creatures known as Celestians who like to make trouble for the commune, and don't usually care to actually replant the crap.
Sparkleberries are worth the hassle. Merbloom isn't, -unless you charge a decent amount-.
Water is also open PK, and has aggressive creatures known as Celestians who like to make trouble for the commune, and don't usually care to actually replant the crap.
Sparkleberries are worth the hassle. Merbloom isn't, -unless you charge a decent amount-.
Forren2007-01-17 06:31:45
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Jan 17 2007, 12:51 AM) 374309
Or you get a cubix and none of that really applies.
Water is also open PK, and has aggressive creatures known as Celestians who like to make trouble for the commune, and don't usually care to actually replant the crap.
Sparkleberries are worth the hassle. Merbloom isn't, -unless you charge a decent amount-.
99% of us can't replant.
We won't attack unenemied Serens who are with escort as per current policy.
Ekard2007-01-17 07:29:23
Krellan, sure its fair to sell merbloom for 35gp each.
I bet that alchemist in need will buy it for that much. And i can see how much mroe difficult is harvesting merbloom then harvesting sparkles.
Your guarding policy is some bull...it. You just have luck that there isnt many trans cities herbalists.
Sooner or later it will change and those peoples wont be happy that you are doing what you are doing. You will suffer.
I bet that alchemist in need will buy it for that much. And i can see how much mroe difficult is harvesting merbloom then harvesting sparkles.
Your guarding policy is some bull...it. You just have luck that there isnt many trans cities herbalists.
Sooner or later it will change and those peoples wont be happy that you are doing what you are doing. You will suffer.
Krellan2007-01-17 08:05:00
there's actually several city herbalists that I had intended to stop harvesting. And it's not like Krellan isn't a wanted man. Nothing out of the usual he hasn't planned ahead for or isn't willing to deal with. Merbloom an alchemist may need, but sparkleberry, just about everyone needs.
And it wouldn't be worth the hassle if it wasn't priced right as you said. I am pricing it right, I'm not pushing it any higher at all. the price is the same as I've always sold except lower in some cases
And it wouldn't be worth the hassle if it wasn't priced right as you said. I am pricing it right, I'm not pushing it any higher at all. the price is the same as I've always sold except lower in some cases
Sylphas2007-01-17 13:05:40
Actually, I've gotten by perfectly fine since day one without having any more than 10 emergency sparkleberry total. If you don't fight, and you're not a seriously hardcore basher, it's a luxury.
Esano2007-01-17 13:41:22
Krellan, if you are stripharvesting (which I take to mean harvesting down to 0), you are harming nature - even if you guard a few rooms, you are nevertheless harming the overall whole of nature. As Serenwilde's purpose is to uphold and protect nature, you are going against the basic ideas of Serenwilde. It doesn't matter if you're giving/selling the sparkleberry to Serenwilde combatants, you're still harming nature.
Ekard2007-01-17 13:49:44
Like Shorlen said. Sparkleberries are luxury.
Not everyone use it as main healing source, most of them use it only in emergency.
Since i transed bookbinding, i no longer use sparkles, reading healing scroll is so much cheaper for me.
Not everyone use it as main healing source, most of them use it only in emergency.
Since i transed bookbinding, i no longer use sparkles, reading healing scroll is so much cheaper for me.
ferlas2007-01-17 14:11:41
QUOTE(Krellan @ Jan 17 2007, 05:47 AM) 374307
are you kidding? sparkleberry? requires more skill. requires nexus in planar if you're not a city person. requires aggressive creatures and open pk. requires timing with spheres. insanity?
Thing is sparkleberry, everyone wants and needs it and its not that hard to get but you can still get a reasonable price for it because its so needed. It isn't hard to get but its expensive because its really needed, people can go through sparkleberry so fast compared to other herbs, supply and demand and all that, merbloom is much harder to get because, well the water plane isn't hard to get to but it isn't tended to well, merbloom is hard to get in big quantities. Merbloom also dosn't have a big market its a small niche of sales really. Merbloom is tricky to get and a rare commodity for sale really which is why its expensive, sparkleberry is alright to get but in much demand which is why its expensive, selling merbloom cheaper won't encourage more people to buy it really the market for merbloom is pretty standard and frost vials arn't used a ton really, sparkleberry being cheaper will get it to sell more because again everyone wants it.
EDIT: I would say sparkleberries are not a luxury they are needed, try fighting a telepath or something like that without being able to bump up your ego mana and health all at the same time.
Unknown2007-01-17 14:24:55
QUOTE(Esano @ Jan 17 2007, 05:41 AM) 374361
Krellan, if you are stripharvesting (which I take to mean harvesting down to 0), you are harming nature - even if you guard a few rooms, you are nevertheless harming the overall whole of nature. As Serenwilde's purpose is to uphold and protect nature, you are going against the basic ideas of Serenwilde. It doesn't matter if you're giving/selling the sparkleberry to Serenwilde combatants, you're still harming nature.
First, he's not stripharvesting. In fact, his dedication means there is more sparkleberry growing on Astral than usual.
Second, it is not Serenwilde's purpose to take care of Nature. Nature can take care of itself. Serenwilde is not Oakstone.
And Third, I think what Krellan is doing is great. If you've got a problem with it, deal with it IC. There are plenty of things you could do to stop him.
Ekard2007-01-17 14:26:20
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jan 17 2007, 05:11 PM) 374364
EDIT: I would say sparkleberries are not a luxury they are needed, try fighting a telepath or something like that without being able to bump up your ego mana and health all at the same time.
I have my magictome
I love it soo much!
Xenthos2007-01-17 15:08:33
QUOTE(Fallen @ Jan 17 2007, 09:24 AM) 374368
First, he's not stripharvesting. In fact, his dedication means there is more sparkleberry growing on Astral than usual.
...
Uhh, no. Usually, every sphere has sparkleberry growing on it, because herbalists do a little thing known as "replanting". It's never been all that rare.
However, if you read Krellan's post, you'll find him saying that he had an idea to "make it more rare." That idea only works if you remove the herb from every other sphere except the ones being guarded, which means that there is *less* growing, not more.
Unknown2007-01-17 15:09:38
It's interesting to me that people are arguing that Krellan overcharges for sparklies, and then saying that sparklies aren't really needed.
The thing is, they're needed enough that people are willing to pay his prices. If his prices were so much higher than what would be appropriate, nobody would buy them. It's the whole concept of capitalism: Krellan can never get a one-man monopoly, so he will always have competition. He will only sell his sparkleberries for what people will pay for them - if people decided it was too high and didn't want to pay it, then they wouldn't.
So long as he does not have a monopoly, it is best to let the business continue on its own and iron itself out. If his prices are too high, people will stop paying them. If people keep paying them, then obviously the're not too high.
The thing is, they're needed enough that people are willing to pay his prices. If his prices were so much higher than what would be appropriate, nobody would buy them. It's the whole concept of capitalism: Krellan can never get a one-man monopoly, so he will always have competition. He will only sell his sparkleberries for what people will pay for them - if people decided it was too high and didn't want to pay it, then they wouldn't.
So long as he does not have a monopoly, it is best to let the business continue on its own and iron itself out. If his prices are too high, people will stop paying them. If people keep paying them, then obviously the're not too high.
Aiakon2007-01-17 15:36:31
When I bought 1.5k off him recently, he told me that it was a reasonable price. *mutter, glower, mutter*
Anyway, I agree with the sparkles are a luxury theory. I -only- use them in combat. I may have a couple of thousand of them, but I do not bash with them - I don't need to bash with them, and using them for bashing stops bashing being cost effective.
Anyway, I agree with the sparkles are a luxury theory. I -only- use them in combat. I may have a couple of thousand of them, but I do not bash with them - I don't need to bash with them, and using them for bashing stops bashing being cost effective.
Xenthos2007-01-17 15:51:13
QUOTE(mitbulls @ Jan 17 2007, 10:09 AM) 374379
The thing is, they're needed enough that people are willing to pay his prices. If his prices were so much higher than what would be appropriate, nobody would buy them. It's the whole concept of capitalism: Krellan can never get a one-man monopoly, so he will always have competition. He will only sell his sparkleberries for what people will pay for them - if people decided it was too high and didn't want to pay it, then they wouldn't.
1) He limits his competition.
2) He creates an artificial shortfall, which means that people have to pay his prices or go without.
(And there are laws in RL that prohibit this being taken too far, just FYI-- we don't live in a purely capitalistic society)
I can't personally harvest through nature guard. That's likely fortunate, because if I could I'd probably just strip his spheres until he gives this stupid idea up and stops stripping the rest of Astral, so herbalists can actually harvest the things in decent quantities (which means that prices would be their normal rate, instead of the overcharging Krellan does. It's only "reasonable" because he artificially limits the supply and rate of growth).
Just for point of reference, I sell merbloom at 15 and sparkle at 30.
Unknown2007-01-17 15:55:55
QUOTE
1) He limits his competition.
2) He creates an artificial shortfall, which means that people have to pay his prices or go without.
(And there are laws in RL that prohibit this being taken too far, just FYI-- we don't live in a purely capitalistic society)
2) He creates an artificial shortfall, which means that people have to pay his prices or go without.
(And there are laws in RL that prohibit this being taken too far, just FYI-- we don't live in a purely capitalistic society)
He limits competition - that's perfectly reasonable. That's what every business tries to do, they buy out competitors. That's not the same as a monopoly. There are others who still sell sparkleberry; basically any herbalist from Seren can get it just as easily as Krellan does.
He does not limit the rate of growth, and as has been said his efforts actually increase the supply. He doesn't plant them in a place where only he can reach them; any Serenwilder could undercut his prices, but people still buy from him.
Xenthos2007-01-17 15:57:56
QUOTE(mitbulls @ Jan 17 2007, 10:55 AM) 374391
He limits competition - that's perfectly reasonable. That's what every business tries to do, they buy out competitors. That's not the same as a monopoly. There are others who still sell sparkleberry; basically any herbalist from Seren can get it just as easily as Krellan does.
He does not limit the rate of growth, and as has been said his efforts actually increase the supply. He doesn't plant them in a place where only he can reach them; any Serenwilder could undercut his prices, but people still buy from him.
Sorry, I was never bought out.
And seriously, it's also been said that his efforts do *not* increase the supply, because there's only 2/12ths of the total amount that COULD be growing, *actually growing*. Two out of twelve spheres. That is less, by the way. 1/6th as much. Perhaps 1/5th due to constant nature growthing, but even 1/2 the number of sparkles growing is "significantly less," not more. Much less 1/4, 1/5, or 1/6 of what could be growing.
ferlas2007-01-17 16:30:35
QUOTE(Fallen @ Jan 17 2007, 02:24 PM) 374368
And Third, I think what Krellan is doing is great. If you've got a problem with it, deal with it IC. There are plenty of things you could do to stop him.
ICly its fine and dandy, oocly its a mechanicaly imbalance.
ferlas2007-01-17 16:30:38
QUOTE(Aiakon @ Jan 17 2007, 03:36 PM) 374387
When I bought 1.5k off him recently, he told me that it was a reasonable price. *mutter, glower, mutter*
Anyway, I agree with the sparkles are a luxury theory. I -only- use them in combat. I may have a couple of thousand of them, but I do not bash with them - I don't need to bash with them, and using them for bashing stops bashing being cost effective.
Ah but you use more sparkleberry than you use yarrow or arnica or wormwood etc etc, sparkleberries are one of the most used herbs you can't deny that.
Aiakon2007-01-17 16:46:13
I use faeleaf the most. By a long way. And if we count the herbs that go in health potions.. I use them lots too. Sparkles.. well.. for a good 40 years of Aiakon's life, he never had any and never bothered with them.
Shorlen2007-01-17 17:36:07
QUOTE(Ekard @ Jan 17 2007, 08:49 AM) 374362
Like Shorlen said. Sparkleberries are luxury.
I never said that