Tzekelkan2007-01-21 03:19:49
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jan 21 2007, 04:14 AM) 375577
Just put that in your sig already.
But people wouldn't notice it if it were in my signature. Just like people not taking others seriously unless they were using some fanatic yet redundant means to get to a self-righteous end, no matter how wrongly they would make use of it.
EDIT: Which is all, de facto, debatable.
EDIT numeros dos:
QUOTE(Torak @ Jan 21 2007, 04:16 AM) 375578
Its fairly obvious that A) You haven't even read the book to come to that conclusion and B ) You have no sense whatsoever of reality. If you think that hearing about smoking, or drinking in a book that is read in grade 10 is something morally objectional then I truly pity you because the fact is, most people in highschool are getting drunk by that point in time. It mirrors reality, simple as that. Not to mention it doesn't take the 'Lords name in vain" and the bible is actually read to the main character throughout the book(But hey, ignorance is a bliss). The fact is the book is about complete censorship, not just select books and it is a good method to get that message across. Destroying the little bit of decency left in this world? Then you must think any airing of news on TV is wrong and should be pulled, or any news in general because lets face it - none of that is about flowers and froliciling..which seems to be what you think we should be learning in highschool. I have actually read the book, yes for school and it was the single book that brought up the most debate in class and raised issues that we can actually relate to. What is worse is that these people are trying to do exactly what the book is about, censoring something because it may offend one group or another(For those of you who have read the book you will know what I am talking about). For those of you who don't, in the book it talks about the beginning of the end when it comes to censorship, no matter what the content one group or another will find it offending and raise and issue about it.
EDIT: Oh and as far as talking bad about firemen go, the firemen we know and those from the book have 0 similarities. They are bookburners, that is their job. It says nothing bad about current firemen whatsoever. Another case of flat out ignorance.
EDIT: Oh and as far as talking bad about firemen go, the firemen we know and those from the book have 0 similarities. They are bookburners, that is their job. It says nothing bad about current firemen whatsoever. Another case of flat out ignorance.
Torak2007-01-21 03:23:50
If that post was actually supposed to be sarcastic you came off wrong on it, seemed more you were another christian with a stick up his ass then anything(Mostly I say this because I know religious nuts that would post exactly what you did). It was also more of a rant at the actual complaint then you, I just mixed the two together to save typing .
Tzekelkan2007-01-21 03:26:20
QUOTE(Torak @ Jan 21 2007, 04:23 AM) 375585
If that post was actually supposed to be sarcastic you came off wrong on it, seemed more you were another christian with a stick up his ass then anything(Mostly I say this because I know religious nuts that would post exactly what you did). It was also more of a rant at the actual complaint then you, I just mixed the two together to save typing .
Verithrax2007-01-21 03:29:26
QUOTE(Torak @ Jan 21 2007, 01:16 AM) 375578
Its fairly obvious that A) You haven't even read the book to come to that conclusion and B ) You have no sense whatsoever of reality. If you think that hearing about smoking, or drinking in a book that is read in grade 10 is something morally objectional then I truly pity you because the fact is, most people in highschool are getting drunk by that point in time. It mirrors reality, simple as that. Not to mention it doesn't take the 'Lords name in vain" and the bible is actually read to the main character throughout the book(But hey, ignorance is a bliss). The fact is the book is about complete censorship, not just select books and it is a good method to get that message across. Destroying the little bit of decency left in this world? Then you must think any airing of news on TV is wrong and should be pulled, or any news in general because lets face it - none of that is about flowers and froliciling..which seems to be what you think we should be learning in highschool. I have actually read the book, yes for school and it was the single book that brought up the most debate in class and raised issues that we can actually relate to. What is worse is that these people are trying to do exactly what the book is about, censoring something because it may offend one group or another(For those of you who have read the book you will know what I am talking about). For those of you who don't, in the book it talks about the beginning of the end when it comes to censorship, no matter what the content one group or another will find it offending and raise and issue about it.
EDIT: Oh and as far as talking bad about firemen go, the firemen we know and those from the book have 0 similarities. They are bookburners, that is their job. It says nothing bad about current firemen whatsoever. Another case of flat out ignorance.
EDIT: Oh and as far as talking bad about firemen go, the firemen we know and those from the book have 0 similarities. They are bookburners, that is their job. It says nothing bad about current firemen whatsoever. Another case of flat out ignorance.
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
Richter2007-01-21 04:43:28
We should put a disclaimer on his post, it wasn't as blatantly sarcastic as he might have thought.
Mirk2007-01-21 05:07:10
QUOTE(Richter @ Jan 20 2007, 10:43 PM) 375608
We should put a disclaimer on his post, it wasn't as blatantly sarcastic as he might have thought.
Yeah, confused me at first. Hence the "ignore me" comment...
also testing
this because I just noticed it.
Stangmar2007-01-21 08:51:27
I'm sick of people who talk non-stop about being 'politically correct' and 'non-offensive', and then turn around and bash christianity all the time. But i guess Christians just deserve everything that's thrown at us. You guys are quick to judge a whole religion based on the RADICALS in that religion. Every social group or race has radicals. I guess all of Islam is evil because some guys decided to blow up some buildings. No, the guys who tried to blow up said buildings are radicals, which means one of two things. A) They took a teaching the wrong way or They are using their religion as a shield to gain their own personal goals, which makes them a poor follower anyway. So i would really appreciate it if you stopped bashing Christianity now.
Unknown2007-01-21 09:15:26
QUOTE(stangmar @ Jan 21 2007, 02:51 AM) 375646
I'm sick of people who talk non-stop about being 'politically correct' and 'non-offensive', and then turn around and bash christianity all the time.
Hell yeah... that's why I flame everything that believes in anything or nothing
Trollism FTW!
Unknown2007-01-21 11:00:45
QUOTE(Avaer @ Jan 21 2007, 10:38 AM) 375563
Isn't that just a -tad- different though? The thief doesn't steal -because- he is black, nor 'gang shoot' as a product of his ethnicity. It's likely due to his upbringing or socioeconomic position.
Some nut complaining about some random nonsensical superstition they hold not being forced on everyone else though, that is a product of their religion. Thus I think it is fair to draw criticism on the religion itself that endorses this stupidity, since without that indoctrination the irrational and ridiculous behaviour would not be occuring.
I'm also really surprised the school actually formed a commitee in response to the complaint, and the the news report treated it seriously. That parents can cause such damage to their children's thinking is abominable, that it is accepted and perpetuated by society at large is much worse.
Some nut complaining about some random nonsensical superstition they hold not being forced on everyone else though, that is a product of their religion. Thus I think it is fair to draw criticism on the religion itself that endorses this stupidity, since without that indoctrination the irrational and ridiculous behaviour would not be occuring.
I'm also really surprised the school actually formed a commitee in response to the complaint, and the the news report treated it seriously. That parents can cause such damage to their children's thinking is abominable, that it is accepted and perpetuated by society at large is much worse.
Oh? So you believe that Christianity teaches people to ban books? That every Christian is taught to ban books that mentions the burning of the Bible?
You are taking this the wrong way. The fact is that the person is using Christianity as an excuse to ban the book, not that Christianity teaches people to do such things. So very simply, you want to flame something, flame the person, not Christianity.
Tzekelkan2007-01-21 11:09:48
QUOTE(Richter @ Jan 21 2007, 05:43 AM) 375608
We should put a disclaimer on his post, it wasn't as blatantly sarcastic as he might have thought.
Judging a man's opinion by only one of his posts is like judging an entire religion on one lonely fanatic. Buuuut, since you did ask for it:
DISCLAIMER: My initial post was debatably sarcastic.
Unknown2007-01-21 13:07:09
QUOTE(Caerulo @ Jan 21 2007, 11:00 AM) 375660
Oh? So you believe that Christianity teaches people to ban books? That every Christian is taught to ban books that mentions the burning of the Bible?
I believe my good True Christian® friends in Landover Baptist say it best. Yes, this is a parody site, so don't click if you are easily offended.
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1002/bookburning.html
Aiakon2007-01-21 17:14:24
It's a good book.
Nothing like a good dystopia to remind us not to allow our government to implement ID cards... and there's nothing like a good ol'texan to miss the point. Hehe. Good link.
Nothing like a good dystopia to remind us not to allow our government to implement ID cards... and there's nothing like a good ol'texan to miss the point. Hehe. Good link.
Daganev2007-01-21 19:32:54
QUOTE(Avaer @ Jan 21 2007, 05:07 AM) 375671
I believe my good True Christian® friends in Landover Baptist say it best. Yes, this is a parody site, so don't click if you are easily offended.
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1002/bookburning.html
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1002/bookburning.html
In other words, Here is a link to hate speach, let me pretend its not hate speach by telling you that if you are offended its not worth reading and its "only a joke". Yay tolerance!
Verithrax2007-01-21 19:55:07
QUOTE(daganev @ Jan 21 2007, 05:32 PM) 375754
In other words, Here is a link to hate speach, let me pretend its not hate speach by telling you that if you are offended its not worth reading and its "only a joke". Yay tolerance!
Get a sense of humour or leave the internet. Better yet, learn that criticizing a religion is not 'hate speech'. I'm tired of religion being viewed as unassailable. If I say conservatives, or liberals, or libertarians or socialists are idiots, would you call that hate speech too? How about people who use Emacs over Vi, or Windows over Linux, or who like sorbet better than apple pie? Religion is an opinion, and it damn right can be a stupid, damaging opinion, and if pointing at people's silly opinions regarding invisible bearded guys in the sky and laughing is hate speech, then what the hell isn't hate speech? I'm sorry we don't live, nor want to live, in a society where disagreeing with anyone about anything is illegal. Why don't you buy the Landover Baptist book and burn it, if you're so offended by anyone saying anything about anyone's religion?
Daganev2007-01-21 21:49:49
If you want to bash Christianity, Bash thier concept of the Trinity all you like. But don't go around saying and suggesting that banning Books in America is some Christian concept, and don't go around saying "But the steryeotypes are true!" because thats pretty much the definition of being a biggot.
Don't be using debates about Stemcells, Censorhip, Education, Wars, American Politics to be defining Christianity. Those are not Christain issues any more than other issues, and making blanket statements about religions in regards to State politics is createing a scapegoat, as was done against Jews in Europe for over a thousand years.
If you want to debate Chrsitanity, debate things such as the pope, the trinity, baptism what have you. You know... actual Christain stuff.
Don't be using debates about Stemcells, Censorhip, Education, Wars, American Politics to be defining Christianity. Those are not Christain issues any more than other issues, and making blanket statements about religions in regards to State politics is createing a scapegoat, as was done against Jews in Europe for over a thousand years.
If you want to debate Chrsitanity, debate things such as the pope, the trinity, baptism what have you. You know... actual Christain stuff.
Sylphas2007-01-21 22:49:39
We're not bashing all of Christianity. Christianity is, mostly, a loving and gentle religion.
But then there are Christian groups that are total assholes and need to get a goddamn clue. I'll bash those as much as I want, the same I would bash Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, or any other extremists. Fundamentalists are my problem, not religion.
But then there are Christian groups that are total assholes and need to get a goddamn clue. I'll bash those as much as I want, the same I would bash Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, or any other extremists. Fundamentalists are my problem, not religion.
Tzekelkan2007-01-21 22:51:32
That's why the Serenwilde hates Shamarah.
Sylphas2007-01-21 22:51:56
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Dag, you can't seperate the issues people endorse and the reason they endorse them. I'm not going to debate the Trinity, because it's totally an opinion that has absolutely no effect on me. When a church is going to be protesting my religious rituals, though, I can debate that. If they're going to try to change curriculum that will affect my future children, I can debate that. And the reason they do this is because of their religion. I know it's not representative of the entire religion, and I know most people don't believe that, but certain denominations do, and they're just as Christian as you are.
Dag, you can't seperate the issues people endorse and the reason they endorse them. I'm not going to debate the Trinity, because it's totally an opinion that has absolutely no effect on me. When a church is going to be protesting my religious rituals, though, I can debate that. If they're going to try to change curriculum that will affect my future children, I can debate that. And the reason they do this is because of their religion. I know it's not representative of the entire religion, and I know most people don't believe that, but certain denominations do, and they're just as Christian as you are.
Daganev2007-01-21 22:58:28
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Jan 21 2007, 02:49 PM) 375843
We're not bashing all of Christianity. Christianity is, mostly, a loving and gentle religion.
But then there are Christian groups that are total assholes and need to get a goddamn clue. I'll bash those as much as I want, the same I would bash Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, or any other extremists. Fundamentalists are my problem, not religion.
But then there are Christian groups that are total assholes and need to get a goddamn clue. I'll bash those as much as I want, the same I would bash Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, or any other extremists. Fundamentalists are my problem, not religion.
You sound like a white owner of a segregated store in the South during the 1950s in America.
Again, by thinking that these people have these views about books BECAUSE they are Christians, blurs the whole issue and doesn't allow people to get down to the actuall mentality that makes people think that because they saw the word "drunk" 10 times in the first 90 pages, that somehow that book is not approptiate for people under the age of 18 to be reading.
If that man was living in a Muslim country, he would likely be stating such things about the Quran. If he was living in Switzerland, he would likely be saying such things about the banning of Willy Wonka and the Choclate factory.
Unknown2007-01-21 22:59:10
QUOTE(daganev @ Jan 21 2007, 09:49 PM) 375818
If you want to bash Christianity, Bash thier concept of the Trinity all you like. But don't go around saying and suggesting that banning Books in America is some Christian concept, and don't go around saying "But the steryeotypes are true!" because thats pretty much the definition of being a biggot.
Don't be using debates about Stemcells, Censorhip, Education, Wars, American Politics to be defining Christianity. Those are not Christain issues any more than other issues, and making blanket statements about religions in regards to State politics is createing a scapegoat, as was done against Jews in Europe for over a thousand years.
If you want to debate Chrsitanity, debate things such as the pope, the trinity, baptism what have you. You know... actual Christain stuff.
Don't be using debates about Stemcells, Censorhip, Education, Wars, American Politics to be defining Christianity. Those are not Christain issues any more than other issues, and making blanket statements about religions in regards to State politics is createing a scapegoat, as was done against Jews in Europe for over a thousand years.
If you want to debate Chrsitanity, debate things such as the pope, the trinity, baptism what have you. You know... actual Christain stuff.
You mean, you want me to pull quotes from the Bible about intolerance and closemindedness, more than just the pro-bookburning quote (FROM THE BIBLE) that was on that site? Or are you saying that Christianity is not defined by the Bible, and anything that is taught therein should be ignored as indicative of the religion?
Creating a scapegoat like the Jews in Europe? WTF?
You need to realize that criticising an idea or belief is not the same as criticising groups of people. Believing that the Aryan race is innately superior to all others is a stupid, ridiculous belief. That doesn't necessarily mean all who hold it are horrible people, probably any of those who still hold it today would never act on it. But is it bigotry to say that that mistaken belief will likely lead to bad behaviour?