Hell I think the storyline of a child becoming a goddess, sealing away Kethuru and restoring the seals is one of the most fantastic ideas in the past year.

Point: Now the majority of people who spoke against ama will now retract their statements. Now because of the forum posts. I think its funny.

I'll give you a dollar if you can show me a post where I spoke out against her.

Oh I wasn't thinking about you, sorry But I am so waiting for a few certain people to stop slagging her now just because she posted on the forums :hum:

Shryke, point taken. Although most of the recent stuff is in response to how serious this stuff is. After Saturday, and when I hold Marina's funeral, I'll try to keep a low profile. Although my in-game response is based on the fact that we'd like to know more about the candidates. And I think meetings and such shouldn't be confined to one community or be set at the will of the gods alone. I wish more people would start thinking in those terms.

Ferlas, I'm not sure what your point is. My quote was is response to Verithrax, whom appears to be bitter and wants this MUD to fail or at least enjoys stirring up trouble. I was trying to point out the fact that if that was the attitude someone else might have taken, we would not be playing Lusternia today. Yes, people can screw up--if this was a perfect world nobody would get shrubbed in the game. And sometimes you do have admin who screw up and get fired. And Estarra did say the god would be strictly watched. My point is, the process deserves a chance.

I duno your whole "well someone trusted someone once and if it wasn't for that then we wouldn't be playing this game so lets just trust them" point just seemed daft and pointless on a similar note to Well a bunch of people trusted this german once and that whole nazi thing sucked so lets never trust the germans again or well I trusted this guy to give me a ride home and he did so I should trust all guys to do that all the time, plus note the time of the post and note I'm sitting in class with a massive hangover and I probally look like a drunk clown smeared eyeliner all over my face. It's all fine no one will notice :/

This is why it's difficult to argue with Ferlas: the premises on which she bases her argument are absurd and nonsensical; her grammar and punctuation are abysmal (though she professes to be hungover, so I forgive her); and she expresses a relatively simple argument in unnecessarily lengthy terms.

Therefore, on her behalf, I translate:

It is ridiculous to make a generalisation based on one specific piece of evidence (namely that Estarra was once a mortal and now a God and that worked out well), especially when there are so many other examples of ascension that have worked out excessively badly.

As it happens, I disagree with Ferlas. I think that any number of failures are worth a success the size of Estarra's.

In response to you, Phred:



Don't get me wrong - I'm not in the 'Phred is an event-whore' camp. I like a lot of what you do. I approve of the shouts, I approve of this discussion you're hosting... I just don't find it convincing that you can do so much inter-organisational diplomacy while nominally cleaning toilets. I think it's time for the well-intentioned dwarf to throw off his humble origins and to take his rightful place among Lusternia's greater figures, with an -appropriate- title. Tully is like the Jar Jar Binks of Lusternia.. an unimportant figure who is thrown into momentous events... but for some reason, Tully isn't changed by that. He finishes saving the world, picks up his mop and goes to find a toilet block.. instead, he should be being laden with garlands and given a fancy title. Jar Jar Binks joins the Senate.. or something.. perhaps Tully should, too?

I was thinking something along these lines earlier (sans Jar Jar Binks reference ). I love that Tully initiates so much player base involvement but it really is becoming a stretch to still see him as a janitor. Basin's Ambassador, Public Relations Specialist, Bringer of the People...pick another role title, please. The janitor thing was amusing and great but it's not really working for you any more in my opinion.

And it doesn't mean any chance to Tully's character, either. There's no need to modify his personality.. just one to take on a more appropriate title etc.

Just because you can't admit that you're wrong doesn't mean other people can't. She's shown herself to be intelligent and to handle herself well on the forums. I don't see why its a horrible thing for people to apologize to her for having been jerks in a way that was essentially 'behind her back'. She's cleared up all the worries I had (except for me being irked at Saran for submiting it. But that isn't her fault in the slightest), and so of course i'm going to apologize for my attitude. Hopefully, if others had similar attitudes for similar reasons, they'll do the same.

Hmm. I don't know Amarysse IG, but judging by her posts, I can see her fitting well within the Lusternian community.

Hope you stick around and, sometimes in the near future, meet you in-game.

Become Tullwilton Janitorus III! Rightful heir of the Janitorus Clan of the Old Dwarven Kingdom!

I was more going for the its ridiculous to make a generalisation that thinking everything is going to work out fine based upon one person trusting someone and them not betraying them and working hard.

or to keep it simple

I was more going for the its ridiculous to make a generalisation that thinking everything is going to work out fine based on sarapis trusting estara and estara not betraying sarapis and working hard.



I didn't mean to say anything about lusternia at all in that bit, I was just trying to comment on the his statement, it wasn't supposed to be an indepth statement :/ Its not a deep witty remark aimed at anyone its just what I thought was originally a simple don't make generalisations based on one previous thing.



Now im exceptionally confused, I never said anything personally about Amarysse at all, I think the only thing I ever said about her was "I don't know her" and I said her winning wasn't bad roleplay in a reply to someone who said it was, I feel like I'm missing half the conversation here :/ I just sort of said that now shes got a forum account people are going to stop judging what happened as bad form or bad roleplay and be nicer to her because shes got a forum account and is chatting basically. And as you said her having the account and chatting away has cleared up any or what ever issue it was with her for you, I don't know why it has but it has.

I also totally agree its about time for the Tullymeister toss away his janitorial roots for something a little more dignified. He needs some more self respect if he is to be a "Public Relations Specialist" as Quidgy put it.

Hmm. Something along the lines of Mr. Smith goes to Washington? Tully strikes me as a cross between Jar Jar Binks and Jimmy Stewart.

Phred, personally I like the basin wide shouts about events and your character's drive to 'bring the basin together.' Kaalak has a somewhat different opinion, but whatever. Your RP is your prerogative.

However when you try to be the ‘Lusternian UN’, you will by nature attract animosity from organizations and individuals with agendas for personal gain. All ‘neutral’ or more accurately ‘third party’ organizations, no matter if they have the public’s interest at heart or not, will be criticized. Which makes sense. Most leaders do not want to see their power be diluted by a rival mindset.

Just my view of things.

Clarification: As long as there are not too many shouts.

I can not recall the titles, but currently there are myriad of buttlers, janitors, and otherwise unkown charachters who are the main pivot of plots in quite a few stories, who turn out to be the wise old men nobody pays attention to but in the end save the day. Sort of like Heroes.

I hope you're not referring to me.

I have no intention of apologizing for what I've said on this topic, and I haven't 'slagged' anyone off. As I said, her player is both lovely and very intelligent, and from everything I've heard she is going to make a wonderful impact on Serenwilde.

That doesn't change my opinion - I still hope she chooses not to attempt to ascend. I don't like the idea of a new character with no history (and hence no enemies nor way to understand the character's motives and style), created just in time to enter the competitions (coming from another IRE game in which it seems likely a normal god track would likely have been offered given her pretty darn nifty descriptive abilities), becoming Lusternia's first ascended mortal. It isn't really going to be a useful experiment.

That is no slur on Amarysse at all, I just don't want a Lusternian newbie to win this important contest.

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, actually.

You don't have to be 18 to be an acended god

Go Soll!