BAH!

by Aiakon

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Verithrax2007-01-25 18:28:23
QUOTE(Phred @ Jan 25 2007, 04:07 PM) 377279
It's so easy to say "technology" will take care of it, and I do use Gmail more. However, spammers are working as hard as the anti-spammers--they are finding ways around it. It's delusional to think it's over. It's just gonna get worse, as they work to defeat it. I have a feeling more radical approaches will be necessary. In some cases, the anarchy of the 'Net--the "tragedy of the commons" might be its own undoing.

Just because there are spam filters to hide it from your eyes doesn't make it less of a problem. I've seen what it does to my companies' servers, for instance. The fact that you even have to set up such filtering is treating a symptom, not the problem. You shouldn't have to change an e-mail account every five years or stupid crap like that. The fact that ordinary e-mail lists and the like get filtered out also is stupid.

I think changes will come when either (1) Spammers get prosecuted so severely it makes it very hard for people to want to do it and/or (2) More White Listing, privatized areas of the Internet, etc, will take over--maybe whatever eventually replaces the Internet.

Except, the problem is the market. There are people who buy V14GR4. If spam is filtered so successfully it doesn't reach enough eyeballs to be profitable anymore, it'll just plain old die. And in any case, if it gets to being a real problem that Bayesian filtering hasn't solved (Doubtful), we can always do the smart thing we SHOULD HAVE DONE YEARS AGO and start using strong cryptography for all our personal email. Mailing lists and such can be whitelisted, or signed digitally. Nonencrypted, nonsigned email can be dropped by default by mail clients. Spammer signatures can be identified and blacklisted rapidly. Privatized areas of the Internet would be the Internet equivalent of gated communities - Totally devoid of commercial value, precisely because they're gated. We already gate down parts of the Internet using firewalling; maybe when it becomes feasible to have an always-on, always-connected server at home, we can all get our mail on our local boxes and be able to attenuate the problem at home. I'm not claiming spam isn't going to crawl out of its grave and rear its ugly head again, I'm claiming that, right now, for all intents and purposes, it's dead.

Of course, this is provided everyone takes the usual precautions. DON'T hand out your email address to any old website, for example. Don't have it displayed publically; if you do, put some padding on it. And you don't have to switch to GMail to get rid of spam; Thunderbird, Evolution and I believe Opera Mail have perfectly fine spam protection on their own. The more spam you get, the quicker a Bayesian filter learns. I don't get more spam in my local inbox than approximately a single message every month or so, albeit sporadically. If I can do it, so can you.
Daganev2007-01-25 19:11:19
How would having a signature be any different than creating various IPs to get around the forums?
Sylphas2007-01-26 00:36:46
GMail has started being targeted, as evidenced by my evergrowing spam folder, but barely any touches my inbox, and when I mark it as spam, that trickle stops for a month or so.
Unknown2007-01-26 01:36:05
I use Gmail and had been getting those weird new picture spams (spam that has pictures as it's ad as it gets past most filters because they can't tell the difference.) After a couple of reports they stopped
Gandal2007-01-26 03:41:43
I get 0 spam on both hotmail and gmail. giggle.gif butterfly.gif nyahnyah.gif
Verithrax2007-01-26 05:57:06
See? It's not rocket science.
Daganev2007-01-26 05:58:20
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jan 25 2007, 09:57 PM) 377431
See? It's not rocket science.


Its computer science... much more difficult!
Sylphas2007-01-26 12:53:03
Database programming is a pain in the ass, the rest of it isn't all that bad.
Unknown2007-01-26 13:52:16
Great, now there are bots which make threads which are alright, but have eww links in their signatures.
Iridiel2007-01-26 14:07:09
@Noola: Maybe they think you'll forward it to some friend who can actually use it ;P

@Admins: Removing posting privileges for guests, adding a mail verification thingy to the registering (you cannot post until a mail has been sent to you and you've clicked on a link) and capchas if the thing gets very bad added to teh starting a new thread / replying forms might help. It did for us.
Shiri2007-01-26 14:15:07
QUOTE(Caerulo @ Jan 26 2007, 01:52 PM) 377512
Great, now there are bots which make threads which are alright, but have eww links in their signatures.


That thread was hardly alright. dry.gif
Unknown2007-01-26 14:28:23
Compared to those which spammed links and eewww terms?
At least the joke was moderately funny. ninja.gif
Shiri2007-01-26 14:39:35
No it wasn't. angry.gif

(I guess it was better than the porn, but still!)
Noola2007-01-26 14:42:24
Was it a dirty joke? I love a good dirty joke.
Daganev2007-01-26 17:00:51
QUOTE(Iridiel @ Jan 26 2007, 06:07 AM) 377518
@Admins: Removing posting privileges for guests, adding a mail verification thingy to the registering (you cannot post until a mail has been sent to you and you've clicked on a link) and capchas if the thing gets very bad added to teh starting a new thread / replying forms might help. It did for us.


Once again... We have all of those.
Sylphas2007-01-26 17:04:46
We don't have per-post captchas. Which I'm glad for, because they're an utter pain in the ass.
Sylphas2007-01-26 17:09:12
QUOTE(Noola @ Jan 26 2007, 09:42 AM) 377523
Was it a dirty joke? I love a good dirty joke.

And I love good porn. halo.gif

What? Someone had to do it. tongue.gif
Xenthos2007-01-26 18:59:08
QUOTE(daganev @ Jan 26 2007, 12:00 PM) 377544
Once again... We have all of those.

Are you sure? Guests keep posting (when people forget to log in).
Unknown2007-01-26 19:00:54
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Are you sure? Guests keep posting (when people forget to log in).


None of the spam I've seen comes from guests, though, so that might not actually help much, other than to save us all the frustration of realizing that we posted as a guest.
Daganev2007-01-26 19:28:26
I am sure that Estarra has said that all the security measures that the forums offer are implemented.