Yeah, anyhoo, something I find odd about Lich...
Weakness during daytime.
Why does Lich have the daytime sapping effect?
Surely it would make more sense to make Nightkiss or Drawdown's effects sapped during daytime.

So, I propose that the bonuses from Lich are reduced a bit, but that they stay static.
Drawdown/Nightkiss should probably be castable during daytime, too. Even if it has to be done indoors, that would be something.

The Lich bonuses are +2 buffs to STR and INT. As it's a defense common to both Ur'Guard and Nihilists, weakening it to a +1 benefit would make it useless all the time. I'd settle for not having the +2 boost during the day, with no further penalty, but +1 all the time would be extremely bad for a trans skill given the current buffs system.

EDIT: Yes, Lich also provides for deaths without XP loss: but a single death will cost you 20 power for the defense plus the power lost upon rebirth, 30 if you re-establish the lich form. In addition, at higher levels it can be very hard to run away from what killed you, even as a ghost.

What about having 2 different lich forms? One gives a permanent +2 to int, the other gives +2 to str?

You mean, DARKCHANT LICH and DARKCHANT URDEAD? Something like that? Yeah, I could really see that working.

However, bear in mind that warriors don't ordinarily cart around +2 INT buffs... that bonus into INT can really make a difference when Surging for extra max health. So it would be a disadvantage to suddenly strip the one INT buff warriors can rely on.

The Serenwilde Commune actually paided for a manse, and put a darkness orb in it, so Moondancers/Serenguard could drawdown during the day. Still doesn't work if it's the New Moon, and running to the manse and back can be annoying during the start of a raid, but it's a big improvement from what we used to have.

As for Lich's variable effect, if it's daytime penalty was removed, or in fact it's night-time bonus was in place during the day as well as you suggest. Then I think the reduction in that bonus would be severe enough to annoy a lot of necromancers.

Edit:ooh ninja'ed by a necromancer already.

Actually, Viscanti already have one of the hardest times of spec'ed warriors Int-wise for two main reasons(low base, low sip), I don't think splitting up int/str would be a good idea.

The term that comes to mind is "if it ain't broke, dont fix it."

I propose it ain't broke. Lich is fine as it is.

I need my int for surge. leave it alone, kthx

Remove the 'sapping during daytime' effect then.
It makes mah symbol crap.

Lich is fine as is, we stopped bitching about it long ago.

Lich really is fine.

If you're really upset about the penalties from lich during day, look into astrology buffs or even a herofete to help counter it. Magnagora has plenty of chefs, and most are even kind enough to do one when asked. Though a nice little bribe to cover comms helps with that too.

Edit: Serenwilde actually paid for an orb of darkness!? You know, I'm pretty sure if you get the artisan drapes/curtains/whatever it's called you can pull them shut and get the same benefits as night. As I recall anyways, I haven't tested lately so I could be off there.

Second Edit: I will say lichdom is annoying when it plays with your willpower when trying to erect a shrine. I recall day turning to night once leaving me without max willpower when needing to raise one. Not saying a change is needed, just an annoyance I suddenly remembered.

Drapes should work just as well as the orb, something that was brought up five minutes after we purchased the orb. It may be an oops moment but at the very least we don't have to look at ugly drapes ever.

Not only that, there's some discussion that it might be a bug, in which case it shouldn't be abused.

Except that that's their advertised purpose?

Lich, Drawdown, and NightKiss are all fine and don't need any upgrades. How about some trueheal!

Trueheal can be worked on by the envoys as most current skills. However ideas seen here are noted sometimes by the envoys as is. If you have ideas for trueheal speak to sacraments envoys I am still waiting to hear back from them on it.

Umm you want trueheal upgraded? Are you serious?

Yeah no :censor:, trueheal is by far one of the most powerful skills in the game, even after it was nerfed some.

Now right now lich is fine, actually after they made stats weighted it made lich more powerful in the day time, it didn't take away a whole point or two of strength it only took away 1 weight, unlike before when it actually took a whole point away. Now the other side of that coin is, at night it isnt as powerful as it used to be either. But with it weighted I would think people wouldn't complain too much about it.

When I was a viscanti at circle 55, when I had lich up and deffed I was kicking 21-22 str. Now even if I was a human demigod that would be near my max str I could achieve. So weighting stats made a huge difference both good and bad to lich. I would let lich be.

Make liches buffs not effected by weighting, or change the buffs because now lich's buffs are near useless.

Is this why you've suddenly chimed in?