There's no real way to time fae. It seems pretty random whether you get lucky and they all hit at once or whether they each attack on their own.

Ah. I wasn't implying that the summoner had any control over it, though. I'm just wondering how the game decides when they attack, I guess.

I have captured an image of one of Diamante's fae attacking a Serenwilder while the rest of the Wilde stands in the background







So please, take care when fighting in choke those fae may look small but they pack a punch.

heh I do whore waning don't I? But come on every Wiccan/Guardian with tarot whores aeon. Me I'm terrible one on one, but I'll see or try to see anyways with all the spam what attacks everyone else are using if I'm not coordinating them myself and pick my best attack to support it. And with my lack of power I don't use hexaura really so waning usually comes out on top rather than drawing hexes and then hexing.

If you don't wanna waste all your herbs prepping for choke, I personally just use marjoram, kombu, chervil, reishi, and kafe for the rigormortis, vapors, bleeding, succumb and um kafe getting stripped.

I actually really like fighting in choke, makes me get to do other things beside waning and I actually get kills! Nature curse is soo weak. I remember when I still had moonburst and Celest was raiding earth and Ishimoru was about to die to a handful of Mags and I was just discerning to snag a kill for experience and I saw him at 633 health and I bursted and didn't kill him. It was depressing. Oh but that was a digression. Yeah but I like choke cause I spend so much time trying to stick aeon in the first place.

Great idea posting this. I've been wanting to post on the seren boards about how to fight in choke, but I don't exactly have access there. I feel bad when Diamante puts up choke then leaves his fae in it and just pushes hexes and people die to the bleeding.

sap and aeon stack in the sense that it does add the affliction, the affliction taking priority cause it is one while choke is uncurable. so the only point of trying to stack aeon would be if you want to keep them aeoned after you expect them to tumble out.

manual curing ftw! yay for nexus users!

Thats because wiccans time their fae so some hit at the same time depending, just like druids and mages time their effects to hit at the same time.




Ya can time fae.

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I always thought (besides the fact it cripples most systems) the actual advantage of aeon/sap/choke was more the fact that you can't use simultaneous commands, like spamming clot, while eating pennyroyal, focusing body, sipping health, reading a healing scroll, eating sparkleberry, and using a three part Psionics combo all at the same time. That part would still be there, even if your entourage attacked 5 seconds more slowly.

That is an advantage when the OTHER guy has aeon, not when you BOTH do.

But even if your fae/angel/demon/demesne is attacking a couple seconds more slowly, in the case of fae/demesne, at least, they're still stacking faster proportionately than you would be curing. For example, your fae attack +5 seconds. Clotting twice, eating an herb, sipping health, eating sparkleberry, reading a scroll, and attacking (a single command, not even a warrior or psionic combo) is +7 seconds when it could normally be done simultaneously. This is still an advantage, because even though it will still take you personally the same +7 seconds to do the same thing, your fae attack separately.

From the rest of the thread, it's primarily certain effects, rather than all fae that are the issue, so I'd think just adding a second or two to ticked effects would be better than adding +50% or +100%, but even at +5 seconds the point in using it would be the change in mechanics. That was my point.

You make a very valid point, and in a better way probably than I could have made it myself.

Don't nerf the fae in choke, cause then axelords in choke will be OP and then they will get nerfed, and it will just be a terrible endless cycle.

Honestly, choke should be avoided and you should be trying to flee it as fast as possible. If there is some combination of skills which makes that literraly impossible, then I think those should be looked at, but right now it sounds more like people don't like fighting in it, and that is because they shouldn't be.

That's a fair enough point. The problem is that choke is used for raiding, though, and that it is so quickly spread. The goal for the defenders is to push the raider out of their territory - choke kind of throws a cog in the works in that the best they can do is stand around and wait for the attacker to leave their choke, there's no real way to force them out if the whole group has to wait outside of choke, and run every time the invader decides to drop choke in a new room.

The Serenwilde (read: druids and moondancers) should be standing outside of choke and pushing hexes/pointing their cudgel in at their enemies instead of fighting in choke, wherever it is avoidable. Still, it is all at once interesting and irritating because it turns all of the normal rules of combat upside down, making the individual with choke the ability to control the flow of the combat.

We have started to do this.

Or you know, you could just ask someone in the serenguard to tackle them out. There are so many things to do, and yes, there are advantages to choke, which is why people bother to use it in the first place.

Sorry, but no. I'm not going to let raiders sit on Etherwilde. We don't WANT to fight in it, the point is that sometimes we HAVE to fight in it. Choke does have it's weaknesses, and some Seren have taken advantage. However, those advantages are completely destroyed by one single action.. Invoke Circle. There would be no way for us to bring down the Shadowdancer's shield without going into Choke, and we're not going to let you sit there.

Funny, cause the last team FFA I was in, that was exactly what we did. We got them out of choke and kept them out, and beat on them.

I am not going to tell you how to do it, it has been told in many places.

as far as I know, all you have to be able to do , is heal yourself a bit so you don't die, and get out of the way of the choke. Then you do do other things to fight outside of it. Choke is not something you fight in, it is something that -chokes- you. Your goal should be getting yourself able to breathe again.

Every time I get a chance, I tackle/barge/charge the raiders out of the choke. The only problem is when they sit in a room where I can't do that.

Sure, a magical shield blocks lots of things, including barge, cudgel, hexes, etc, but if they've got a shield up, it means they're not doing harm to anything, at least.

Actually in the case where defenders out number attackers, the defenders are much better off going into the choke and easily killing the smaller number of attackers there due to larger numbers and better passive effects through being on ether seren. Having choke wont allow anyone to control the flow of combat at all. Having the majority of people with no clue of how to operate in choke will give the individual with choke the ability to control the flow of combat but this is easily fixed by learning to operate in the choke.

Choke is a massive advantage to everyone who has the sense to use it. I've seen magnagora deal with choke and drop a demence to kill a group of gloms defending a villiage just like I've seen blacktalon reverse the choke effect and laugh at the caster.

Try barging Diamante out of Choke.. I've seen him at what.. Size 25? It's impossible to move him. I think Sham said something once about even Beckon failing on him repeatedly.