@Wesmin for clarification: It is a -very- rare sight when Glomdoring raiders outnumber the Seren Raiders, though this isn't a major issue since most the time Narsrim was outnumbered, but more often with narsrim it was 3-4 vs 1 whereas with seren it's quite often 2-3 vs 9-12+. Aside from that a "daily" raid isn't bad. I personally see no real problem with 15-20 minutes of fighting every 24 hours, and have yet to see a Glomdoring raid go more than a half hour. Aside from that Glomdoring doesn't make an effort to make sure the Moon Ladies are dead, every shrine defiled, Aspects killed at every beck and call, nor are all members of the Serenwilde targetted for any reason every time they step out of their commune. The population of Serenwilde is not being forced to an average of 3-4 members even around peak times, and the Serenwilde continues to raid back.

Glomdoring on the other hand stopped interacting with the outside world for six months, it's population became a dead-zone, and had little to no hope of ever chasing off the defenders. Serenwilde on the other hand still holds arguably the highest population, tends to manage to drive off the attackers after 10-15 minutes, and has not known what it is to live in constant fear due to the actions of 2-3 people.

Though perhaps I'm biased, Sometimes that can happen. But having lived in both communes, and raided both communes, I see much more moderation from the Glomdoring than was ever shown by the Serenwilde. (And I'm guilty of such as a seren, though I argued against it I can't claim innocence, I still raided Glomdoring even knowing how much is sucked back then.)

Bedevil sure, even if it's dangerous to use against people with mana instakills. However the bulk of the skillset is what I'm talking about, the cure me -blank-

Edit:Which is why I mentioned it, it wasn't 'the seren' was it? It was people who are now gloms(don't remember where munsia ended up actually mag?). Though in truth I have yet to see nars in the etherwilde recently. This has, of course been talked to death. (I'm sure sham will start posting horse pictures soon) I just wanted to point out the nice irony again, since others are still ignoring it.

In the end it all gets back to that selfish RP i mentioned somewhere else, doing things which have lasting effects for the rest of your org/nation in a negative way. I guess I'm just realizing why I got burnt out before, as I don't see the point to raiding to kill players alone. I know it'll just switch violently around next year and start over again, and nothing will have changed, just inverted.

Though you said arguably, Magnagora and Celest are significantly more populated at almost all points compared to Serenwilde. As for the 15 minutes thing, only thing I've noticed is that certain Glom's (Not yourself) like to go rompin' killing ladies whenever there's 5 or so Seren max and maybe 2 of them are somewhat capable defenders. I have a tendancy to play at non-peak times and pretty regularly at the Serenwildes lowest population point a raid on Etherwilde occurs. Not to attack the more respectful and nice Glom's but I highly doubt that's a coincidence.

I actually see little to no point raiding to kill mobs alone, it is no more interesting than bashing, there's little to no challenge. I play lusternia to roleplay and to combat, it's really amazing I made it as high level as I did. I can't really stand bashing, so raiding to bash for such a reason just seems boring.

Combat, on the other hand, is quite entertaining. And not all raids are soley to kill players, generally the schematic of a raid goes as follows.

--Make entry
--Position team defensively
--Attack target (alerts commune)
--Kill target
--Prepare for defender attacks
--Fight/kill defenders/get owned and die
--Maybe kill some more mobs
---Attempt escape

Not really sure what you're talking about with the selfish RP, but mostly of late you seem martyr ish. But your post sort of confuses me, I don't really understand I suppose what you were trying to get at. Glomdoring is an opposing org, their raids, while yes daily, are just that. It's a conflict-centered game, and alas, conflict is a regular part of the game. It's unending, I fully agree, because umm, we don't live in Lusternia: Happily ever after, the game would stagnate even further if we all got along.

Everyone aims to take something different from lusternia, for some it's combat, for others it's questing and bashing, for more it's RP, for some it's the challenge of building a successful trade, and still others to be creative and design. I dislike how you put down a particular form of enjoyment for many others. I respect that a lot of people have different views on what's "fun" for them, and in all honesty feel that I work pretty hard to make the game fun for most people.

Raiding is one of the funnest ways one can work to have conflict with another org, I understand if it's not your cup of tea, but not everything can be pleasing in a game with so many desires of different things.

The difference is that there is clearly no reason for people to want to fight other people who want to fight. Instead you fight against smaller, less competent groups of people who don't want to fight. I can't think of anything other than village influencing (which has been nerfed and barely comes around now) that has this kind of effect. Raiding is really not fun for a lot of people, who then end up being the ones who have to defend against it. Choke just exacerbates (hmm) the problem, but it's bad enough on its own. So when it is daily, neverending (as you've said) it just gets frustrating.

I don't really see how 15-20 minutes out of the span of around 24 hours is overdoing it, but eh.

You might raid for 15 minutes every 24 hours, but others will raid longer and more often. Across an entire organization over an entire day, it adds up sometimes. It's still not to the point where we fight for hours on end or are afraid to login because we'll be dragged into a conflict, I don't think.

Meh all orgs are guilty of this. Serenwilde still raids Glomdoring during off peak hours when there's like 1-2 defenders. And I am sure Glomdoring does the same. Celest and Magnagora does the same all the time and they are pretty much used to it.

It's true. I've raided and assisted in killing Crow's Aspects when there were only one or two Blacktalon ( who probably don't have loyalsays on ) while the others in Gloom's population is low. I fully admit it. Some Glooms have been brave to tempt fate by themselves and go against a horde of Seren ( Caoilfhin ), and she has sometimes been reasonably successful. In all honesty, I'm fine if Glom raids. Defense and offense is something that Seren needs to work on, and we have been making steps to improvement thankfully. However, I don't appreciate it when some raiders call it an 'epic fail' because we choose to use other tactics than blindly flowing into your Choke, Fae, and Hexes. *peer Sham*. Which, by the way, the end result of that raid ended up with two Serens dying only after we killed Shamarah, Bael, and Xavius once before without stepping one foot into Choke. The second time being with a combination of Vendetta and Rage. We did good in that defense. Nothing except two Seren ( whom I doubt have good healing ) were slain and no mobs were killed. It was not a failure, we just weren't stupid this time.

There are...other methods of attack...besides flowing.

Yeah, like.. pointing cudgels, demesne and pushing the hexes we did? Except for the one part where we were standing outside the Aspect area because Shamarah had the entrance Choked. So that time really was just a stare contest through the Stone.

Not knowing context, all I heard was Tael mentioning flow. Perhaps I was hasty in my commentary. Please do excuse me from any undue anguish I have caused you by impinging upon your martial prowess and that of your commune.


I come from the school that ultimately -does- throw itself at the enemy if there's nothing happening. So...sympathy goes so far.

Regardless of my preparations, when there are NINE of you and ONE of me (Bael and Xavius were gone by that point), and you refuse to come to me, that definitely constitutes epic fail.

Hardly so, just meant to clarify really. I was leading, and I know that we're not going to do well by rushing head in. There were a few times I had to ask someone to go in with me so we could get rid of Sham's shield and Protection (if you used one, I can't recall) but.. it didn't quite happen as I wanted it to. We're learning. And it's going to take time, no matter what we do we're going to get slammed for being rash or for running (Those who said it to me know who they are). And you're hardly going to get rush tactics from an inexperienced leader, and the demesne holder. God I hate resetting my demesne so much.

What you fail to realize is that they were all AFK talking on SKYPE about Puzzle Pirates. And the joke is on you!

Amen. Raids to me arent about slaying mobs.. that is called bashing. You attack things WANTING a response. Daughters, Lords, Demons, and Angels are attacked to get an org to respond. Otherwise they wouldnt call for help. If you raid and no one comes then why continue? Wait a bit and try later.. see if someone comes the next time. If few come to even warrant a fight (3 gloms vs 2 seren is not a fight really) then dont try to just do pidly things when no one stops you. Leave and return for more fun later. I -hate- going to a raid and then no one comes.

To those of you out there.. if I raid I didnt come to slay mobs I came for people. I go to defend in the hopes the fight will be a good one not so I can charge into pointless battle (and note to all cities and communes.. 3 to 1 isnt a fair fight.. 2 to 1 still isnt good.. if you bring too many there wont even always be an attack so then your just bashing).

I've gone demon killing before just for the RP of it, without looking for a fight from Magnagora. Incabulos attacks angels just to be annoying. People all have their own reasons for picking fights with the opposing orgs denizens.

As xenthos pointed out it wasn’t an insult, pointing out your constant inconsistencies and your attempt to change the point of the topic from chokes overpoweredness after you were proven wrong to glomdorings unfair raiding policies which you have also been proved wrong about isn’t a personal insult against you just a commentary and for your third point the clarification is best summed up as :




The point being serenwilders often raided glomdoring when there was less than 3 gloms around at the time non of them combat able, the serens also stayed, and did as much harm as they could killing all the ladies and the aspects even when no one was around, Serenwilde also targeted glomdorings on prime novices included. Now glomdoring basically just raids ether serenwilde and kills a few of the defenders two or three times a day. In comparison glomdoring is being exceptionally sportsmanlike to the very same organisation that treated glomdoring with no respect at all for so long, glomdoring in my knowledge attacks when champions and security members of serenwilde are around and glomdoring raids stay to fight the defenders.

As opposed to what I had to suffer from the serens constant raids at off peak times when no champons or security were around and when I or some others did show up, after I had learnt some combat experience, the raiders would vanish the moment a force was present on ethereal.

Again as much as I personally dislike some of the leadership of glomdoring I can only say how surprised and thankful that glomdoring are showing such good sportsmanship



Bedevil's only weakness in choke is that you would have to drink a few venom vials to make it worth while.

I'm sure bedevil would work out pretty well, it may not be that useful actively in choke due to the numerous venoms you must consume in one go to make it worth while but as a one shot first attack inside choke or even stepping out to load up on venoms then walk back in to bedevil, I bet the skill could be pretty useful.




So far glomdorings been fighting against champions and security on almost all the raids I've seen, thats a pretty good record. Choke on the other hand exacerbates nothing.

Although I don't see much of a problem I am very surprised at you shriri, I would have thought that you would be thanking glomdoring, I do recall you saying during serenwildes reign of dominance that you wished that you could make it less hmm painful (would be the word to use?) for glomdoring.

As you were a regent of serenwilde, and also at the time unable to control the actions of some serenwilders I had assumed that you would have respected and thanked the leadership of glomdoring for controlling the actions of its members to prevent another situation in the game similar to the situation you were unable to prevent yourself which caused numerous people to abandon glomdoring and become upset or quit the game, again I am surprised that you are not thanking the glomdorings for not inflicting such a fate on serenwilde in retaliation for the past.



Its nice that you recognise that you can use choke to you advantage to defeat the raiders and that you recognise that glomdoring is not beating on you constantly because it can. Good luck with your learning and good luck with your future defence combats. Oh and don't pay any attention to shammy just nod and smile then hand him back his corpse later on

Or just post more cat posts.

I'd like to think that I've been in most of the defences or seen who was there or found out about them. Most of the time Glom isn't fighting Champions or even security members. How often is Shorlen around when raids happen. Cause if he was these single person raids wouldn't last 5 minutes with his meld. a lot of time most of the deaths are bleeding because the redcap kills all the smaller people in choke. They get hit by the barghest and drawn sleep hexes and then pixie to fall asleep and then they die to the redcap.

As for the difference in the raids, THe serens don't really like to fight from what I've seen. there are a few that do and even then some of those few don't raid for a reason i don't personally know. Serens raid to slay aspects and daughters as their goal more often than not or do some sort of organizational damage. Gloms like to raid for a fight. I don't know what point I'm making here except the two goals are different and that each side doesn't like the other sides goals or somehting like that I guess. I'm tired and just had a midterm hey this isn't a yawn and where are the eyes!