Is your use of 'you' directed towards me? If so, nothing in my post said I had a problem with fighting in choke. If not, I suggest you separate two different parts of a post to make sure the person you are quoting do not take what you are saying as something directed towards him or her.

As you said you previously did not wish to learn to fight in choke but have now come around and accepted that it is just another thing you have to learn. All others will learn to cure in choke in time.



As Aesyra you do deal with choke exceptionally poorly, as you said one paralysis hex without fae or additional hex throws has caused you to stop your offence completely. As a moondancer you should be exceptionally deadly in choke bearing in mind your have hexes and the moondancer aeon appears to stack with choke. You do cure relatively well outside of choke so when you begin learning to fight inside choke I am sure you will do just fine.

Be prepared with the ability to cure and even when the fae are attacking you, you will easily be able to shrug off sleep combinations and paralysis. Not to mention the effectiveness as diamante has shown of a size one tumble used offensively with choke.

Moondancer aeon does not stack with choke.

I've heard many conflicting things about aeon and sap stacking with choke. Diamante, can you clear this up?

No idea about sap, but as I showed Diamante a couple weeks ago aeon DOES NOT stack with choke. Shamarah and Aesyra can both attest to this because we specifically tested it after Diamante told me it worked, and then Shamarah surprised me by saying that it hadn't when I tried it.

At some point they did, it appears they do not now.

Amusingly, being sapped in choke makes you move FASTER, because sap's delay is 0.5 seconds and choke's delay is 1 second, and sap seems to take priority over choke.

My mistake, when fighting in choke and aeon’d the aeon message takes precedence over the choke message, either way moondancers are still very good in choke.

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I meant you as in all people who think choke is OP. I agree with Geb, Diamante, Shamarah, and the others who think choke is fine as it is.


I wonder what ectoplasm does while in choke now though. If it stacks and makes things slower or does what Shamarah says sap does in choke.

I don't see why ecto wouldn't work in choke - it's not an aeon effect.

I highly doubt anyone that has to defend their own territory and deal with choke as much as Serenwilde does in doing so would be as supportive of it as the rest of you are. This whole thing seems to come down to a lot about perception and through which eyes you're seeing this from.

Magnagora and Celest see way more fighting. Then again. They can do something by raiding. Ours is just... haha I'm in your territory. Come chase me. Okay. You chased me. Take care!

Before Choke is judged (and fixed accordingly, if needed), Succumb and Redcap need to be looked at. The latter is due for a downgrade soon, I believe. So...any changes planned for Succumb?

Huh? If anything, killing angels/demons has LESS effect than killing Ladies/Daughters.



I believe succumb is getting downgraded a bit, or at least Diam was talking about that.

I meant the Demon Lord/Supernal quest, but sure. That works.

Changes have already been submitted for both.

I have fought Diamante in choke, I know well enough to strike and get the hell out of the room. Yes he did win. Due to him grasping his skills better than me, and a loop I fell into. But either way....


LEARN TO FIGHT IN CHOKE.

Stop whining like children and either fight in it, or move out of the room and make them fight you on your terms. This whole thread was started by Diamante to HELP you learn to fight against someone who is using choke.

This is not a skill like Trueheal which totally negates an players offense for 10p. This is a skill that hinders both the caster and the victim. And honestly if someone put up choke and I got the jump on them first, they will wish they never used choke. This skill can be turned into your advantage. It is the only skill I can think of that someone else can cast with the intention of killing you with it, and you can turn it around on them and destroy them.

That being said, yes.... redcaps and succumb in choke should be looked into WAY before choke itself is looked into.

And on that note, what are the tactics to use in choke?

Try to stick disloyalty - but charismaticaura?

Use your own passives, if you have them?

Or in the fighting around choke department...

Leave the room and wait?

Tackle, charge, or barge them out of choke?

Best choice-- find a way to turn choke to your advantage. If they're choking more than one room, set yourself up in another with all kinds of advantages, and use various means at your disposal to get them into your little trap. Choke is a hindrance on all sides-- you just need to not panic when you're in it. If you panic, you're going to die. If you try to spam things, you're going to die. It's quite a different fight, but it is different for everybody.

Think Diamante went over it earlier, but... warriors have it harder than most, so basically;

Charge them from the room, their ents will not follow them when charged out.

I. Not all choke users have CharasmiticAura, so try to hit with a disloyalty venom combo'd with possibly a calcise/dendroxin (this will force them to heal the arm/leg) Or use something like stupidity/confusion with hadrudin.

II. If you are a PB or AL go for a SeverTendon or a SlitThroat with senso instead of hadrudin. Use Manuevers to try and get that affliction if possible. Also if you do not get it on the first try get out of the room, then try again after you make sure you are cured from anything that may have hit you.

III. If you are a cosmic/wiccan order your ent(s) aggro and to attack the choke holder, you can try this different ways. If I want to use my hound against a choke user, I would send the hound in aggro, hope he gets a clamp before I make it into the room. As a wiccan I would hope my ents hit before his ents do. If they don't and you are getting pummeled. Tumble out.

IV. If you have hexes, push them into the room, then go in and attack w/ents.

V. If you are a mage get them away from their ents and barrier. Or go in and hit them not with a 3 channel attack since I think that would take alot of time. Hit them with something like paralysis or agoraphobia.. Come up with the best one hit combo and hit them with that... If you get the jump on them, they will fall behind, and you will end up controlling their choked room.

VI. If you are a fetish user, hit with some venom fetishes.

These are just a few things you can do.

But remember in choke the name of the game is AFFLICT AFFLICT AFFLICT. That is why it is harder for warriors to fight in Choke than most everyone else.