The point is that there really isn't any to begin with. Even if you win it isn't really fun for a lot of people. I do understand that it sucks when people don't show up...but people play this game for fun, so it's understandable that they just don't want to do something as un-fun as running into and dying in choke. (or sitting at Mother waiting for more defenders to muster while all your mobs die.)

Succumb is overpowered, and redcap is arguably overpowered. But that's all. Choke isn't.

Flacarealah has pretty awful healing, btw.

Just curious, as the wording is a bit weird, was this an insult or a compliment? Hehe

So zarquan is a Serengaurd...
QFT, drink is nothing like full; drink stays up, whereas full costs power each time it used. Full also is an active action inside choke (which you want to limit as much as possible due to choke’s nature) Whereas Drink works in perfect synergy with a choked room to maximize the actions you do take, and reduce any actions you don't have to take. (If drink would be compared to anything it would be mother+maiden, though the maiden’s not reliable enough to use, last I checked we still had the "oops I poofed in 10 seconds" problem, and the spiritsinger skill had no effect.)

As for fighting in a choked room being even-Steven across the board, that's not quite right, since you release shadows beforehand to drop choke, non-Night/Crow followers lose their regen skills within that room.

The undisputed problem with choke is it severely disadvantages anyone in it and works synergistically with a great deal of shadowdancer skills to make them more deadly, you can't look at it as one skill you have to look at the whole offensive and defensive combination across the board that makes choke into what it is. I'm glad some of those synergistic effects are being looked at by you and rebalanced accordingly.

Don't nerf them too much though, they have to still be OP or you'll lose the guild-hopers you currently have.

This still isn't all that factual.

Drink doesn't do anything unless power is regularly expended (1-3p in the form of shadows in the cauldron, every time the Dancer moves or the shadows fade).

Thus, there is very little reason to attack envoys who are working on making the class balanced.

(Psst, Zarquan is Serenguard Champion. He's posted this multiple times before.)

Actually no, drink is a def that costs 4p but stays up after you use it.

Get them to hurry up and fix that skill ummm Shine?? That was upgraded but doesn't work yet... And I will try to convince Airees to come with me to Serenwilde, then we will see either:

I. Serenguard snugglers leaving for a less rigorous archtype

II. Airees and I being kicked out of Serenguard and Serenwilde for beating the piss out of warriors who will not defend their own lands.


Will make for some good RP.... >.<

It stays up, but it does nothing without shadows released. IE, 1-3p if you move or if the shadows fade.

Edit: Though I suppose if you have multiple Night users, that changes. Only one of 'em has to release for everyone to get the Drink benefit.

Shine doesn't work? It was increasing my damage output when I tested it a few days ago... or is it modifying magic damage and not physical maybe?

Nejii knows what is wrong with it, I am not sure, he said something about it not doing what it was supposed to last night.

... uhm... if you do that I may be forced to join too

Idea that was forwarded to me.

Picture.

Shadowdancer Bob drops his cauldron, releases shadows into the room. (1 second or so equilibrium)

Shadowdancer Bob lifts his hands high above a shadow cauldron, and the shadows of the room begin to thicken.

Two seconds later...

The shadows of the room fall in a heavy blanket, plunging the area into darkness..
---CHOKE---CHOKE---CHOKE-----

Basically adding a two second delay from the time choke is cast to when it actually takes effect, I think this would help quite a bit in combat.


Apart from that---Unfortunately for some reason I don't understand my succumb downgrade this month was rejected, so unfortunately some of you will have to deal with it for another half month at least while I try to figure out what to do.

I'd like to try getting something Stag followers have off in choke and see how well it works. I'll have to try it sometime, but I can't recall what it does.

And by no means am I encouraging you to raid Serenwilde so I can try this!

I thought choke goes away if you just use gust? After a delay, at least. If that's the case, then what's the problem? Group rushes in, all but one attacks, one person uses a gust enchantment.

But, even then, Choke may just be an instant cast and it can pop up right when it goes away. The only experience I've gotten in choke is generally just Xvs.1 (Diamante). And in that case, choke worked good for the X team.

You're thinking of poison clouds/contagion.

For those curious about redcap.

You spin about in a circle, and a thick shadowy blanket descends around you.
4854h, 5939m, 4854e, 7p, 23170en, 30495w lrxkb-
--/17:58:45.437/
You have recovered equilibrium.
4854h, 6014m, 4854e, 7p, 23170en, 30507w elrxkb-
--/17:58:48.781/
YOU-CHOKED-GET-READY-TO-MANUAL
4854h, 6014m, 4854e, 7p, 23170en, 30507w elrxkb-
--/17:58:49.078/
You order a redcap to kill Diamante.
A redcap obeys your command.
4854h, 6014m, 4854e, 7p, 23170en, 30519w elrxkb-
--/17:58:50.093/
YOU-CHOKED-GET-READY-TO-MANUAL
4854h, 6014m, 4854e, 7p, 23170en, 30519w elrxkb-
--/17:58:51.187/

(Bellator Societas): You say, "Ok starting."
4854h, 6014m, 4854e, 7p, 23170en, 30519w elrxkb-
--/17:58:52.171/
Eruecco has been beaten to a pulp by a scuttling crab.
4854h, 6339m, 4854e, 8p, 23170en, 30531w elrxkb-
--/17:58:54.796/
The wind whistles eerily through the branches overhead.
4854h, 6339m, 4854e, 8p, 23170en, 30531w elrxkb-
--/17:58:56.796/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
4854h, 6339m, 4854e, 9p, 23170en, 30555w elrxkb-
--/17:59:01.812/
You bleed 154 health.
4700h, 6339m, 4854e, 9p, 23170en, 30555w elrxkb-
--/17:59:05.593/
You bleed 94 health.
4760h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30579w elrxkb-
--/17:59:11.125/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
4854h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30591w elrxkb-
--/17:59:13.890/
You bleed 239 health.
4615h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30591w elrxkb-
--/17:59:16.671/
You bleed 128 health.
4726h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/17:59:22.125/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
4854h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/17:59:26.046/
You bleed 219 health.
4635h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/17:59:27.625/
You bleed 155 health.
4699h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/17:59:33.171/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
4854h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/17:59:38.203/
You bleed 322 health.
4532h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/17:59:38.671/
You bleed 258 health.
4274h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/17:59:44.171/
You bleed 198 health.
4656h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/17:59:49.671/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
4656h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/17:59:50.843/
You bleed 312 health.
4542h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/17:59:55.187/
You bleed 254 health.
4530h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:00:00.687/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
4530h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:00:02.843/
You bleed 415 health.
4439h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:00:06.187/
You bleed 355 health.
4326h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:00:12.109/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
4326h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:00:15.093/
You bleed 484 health.
4246h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:00:17.578/
You bleed 423 health.
4065h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:00:23.062/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
4469h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:00:27.375/
You bleed 540 health.
3929h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:00:28.562/
You bleed 478 health.
3693h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:00:34.062/
A large shadow flits across the edge of your vision for a bare instant,
vanishing between the trees.
4097h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:00:36.703/
The perception of time momentarily slows to a fraction as Atropos snips stray
strands and frayed threads upon the Tapestry of Fate, each cut bringing a
distant scream. Time rushes forward as the memory fades, yet you retain the
knowledge that your fate in Lusternia is far from meeting its end.
4097h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:01:01.109/
You bleed 420 health.
3919h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:01:01.187/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
4323h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:01:02.812/
You bleed 519 health.
3804h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:01:06.343/
You bleed 456 health.
3994h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:01:11.843/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
3994h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:01:15.375/
You bleed 655 health.
3339h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:01:17.343/
YOU-CHOKED-GET-READY-TO-MANUAL
3339h, 6339m, 4854e, 10p, 23170en, 30595w elrxkb-
--/18:01:20.921/

(Bellator Societas): You say, "Ok just hit yellow, without sipping or clotting
just kingdom."

Last time I fought in choke, however, my regeneration was disabled by whatever ability it is that disables regeneration. I know this because I stood in that room after the raiders were gone and wondered why my health and mana weren't increasing back to max even though I had mercy and perfection active. No regeneration + choke + redcap = quick death.

--/02:27:54.515/
You order a redcap to kill Diamante.
A redcap obeys your command.
5339h, 5245m, 4854e, 7p, 20200en, 27599w elrxk-
--/02:27:54.718/
A giant bat flaps stealthily in from the southeast.
5339h, 5245m, 4854e, 8p, 20200en, 27599w elrxk-
--/02:27:56.515/
CHOKE-SYSTEM-PAUSED-PRESS-5-ON-KEYPAD-TO-REENGAGE-CURING
5339h, 5245m, 4854e, 8p, 20200en, 27611w elrxk-
--/02:27:59.421/
A tiny crawlspace.
This dark tunnel is hidden from view by a natural rock formation to the
southeast. The granite walls press in close, cold stone creating a
claustrophobic atmosphere. The sounds of bats screeching echo from the
southeast, although the tunnel ahead to the northwest is dark and silent. The
shadows have been gathered here. A patch of reishi mushroom thrives here. A
black cauldron sits here in a pool of shadows. A short redcap stands here,
looking around for victims. A giant bat hangs here, wings folded about its body
and one beady eye open.
You see exits leading southeast and northwest.
5339h, 5245m, 4854e, 8p, 20200en, 27611w elrxk-
--/02:28:00.500/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
5339h, 5245m, 4854e, 8p, 20200en, 27623w elrxk-
--/02:28:01.625/
You bleed 227 health.
5112h, 5245m, 4854e, 9p, 20200en, 27623w elrxk-
--/02:28:03.093/
A giant bat flies out to the northwest, flapping its leathery wings.
5112h, 5245m, 4854e, 9p, 20200en, 27623w elrxk-
--/02:28:05.015/
You bleed 217 health.
4895h, 5245m, 4854e, 9p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:08.593/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
4895h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:13.671/
You bleed 400 health.
4495h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:14.109/
(The Shadow Court): Valarien says, "When was this?"
4495h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:14.953/
(The Shadow Court): Viravain says, "He was singing a new tune after I was
finished with him."
4495h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:16.718/
You bleed 392 health.
4103h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:19.609/
You bleed 379 health.
3724h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:25.109/
(Market): Vusilk says, "Seeking a tailor."
3724h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:25.296/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
3724h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:25.734/
You bleed 601 health.
3123h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:30.625/
CHOKE-SYSTEM-PAUSED-PRESS-5-ON-KEYPAD-TO-REENGAGE-CURING
3123h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:33.015/
A tiny crawlspace.
This dark tunnel is hidden from view by a natural rock formation to the
southeast. The granite walls press in close, cold stone creating a
claustrophobic atmosphere. The sounds of bats screeching echo from the
southeast, although the tunnel ahead to the northwest is dark and silent. The
shadows have been gathered here. A patch of reishi mushroom thrives here. A
black cauldron sits here in a pool of shadows. A short redcap stands here,
looking around for victims.
You see exits leading southeast and northwest.
3123h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:34.062/
You bleed 592 health.
2531h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:36.125/
A redcap slashes you with a thin razor, causing blood to spurt from the wound,
which he soaks up with his little cap.
2531h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:37.765/
A giant bat flaps stealthily in from the southeast.
2531h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:38.484/
You bleed 770 health.
1761h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:41.640/

(Bellator Societas): Valarien says, "Hey."
1761h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:43.562/
You bleed 756 health.
1005h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:47.140/
A giant bat flaps stealthily in from the southeast.
A giant bat flaps stealthily in from the northwest.
1005h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:47.531/
CHOKE-SYSTEM-PAUSED-PRESS-5-ON-KEYPAD-TO-REENGAGE-CURING
1005h, 5245m, 4854e, 10p, 20200en, 27625w elrxk-
--/02:28:48.078/


Roughly an entire minute to get me to lethal levels, with no curing, regeneration, or sipping on my behalf. I imagine a minute is a fairly long time to go without curing. And I've not as much health as a surged warrior, or even a lot of unsurged warriors.

To Aquamancers fighting in choke - whirlpool is your friend.

Because I'm bored and have a calculator in front of me:
Damage taken: 7078,
Damage regened: 3739.
Do I believe we should nerf one skill to 'fix' another, no.
You have about 2100 more hp then I or any non-warrior lower than ~90 do though. :\\

You've got me wondering, you mention no regeneration, did you also not have kingdom for this second test? The bleeding stacked up a lot faster. Either it's slightly random, which would surprise me, or you didn't have kingdom up during this one, which makes more sense.

I feel the need to clarify myself, because some few people like to twist what I post around, and enjoy it like a hobby: Yes, I am aware you were not sipping in those logs and neither was hypothetical me. I'm trying to show the difference between you and others, trying to say that you are perhaps not the norm, in fact, no titan/demi is. I am not saying that alone makes the new combo OP or not. I'd like to see more tests, or maybe use the 'wait and see' approach.