Given "and" (or at least "or" vis. the first one there) that sounds much more worthwhile than it is now. Currently the problem with Resurgem is that it's not really feasible to use in PVP situations since every org has ways to instantly destroy the corpse provided one of a large group has eq, even if you ALREADY have a coven together - and if you don't, they'll have it offered at a shrine before you can get to forming the coven at all.

Also, it's a fairly simple idea, unlike some of what Asmo's got going there...

Singular Moondancer coning might make going to Astral more worthwhile and seeing as how that seems one of the primary function of the bubble ... YES PLEASE! Also soul resurgems, sweet.

Mm, but again, not much point to paying power and gold to get... more power. Unless you have some dedicated people to Cone, you'll most likely have a negative net power gain each month from that construct. Granted, it'd be a nice bonus, but it isn't as great as most people think.

EDIT: Forgetting that "negative" in there changes my whole meaning.

Not mention that change might cause astral to go belly up in terms of available nodes not at modes or below. Its already bad that we have limited bashing areas.

The Moon Altar is not worth the cost at the moment, even in the slightest. However, we may build it anyway, since many Serens feel it is required to defend the new raidable area our RP says we need to watch over and die to protect over and over and over. Causing us to pay 600 power a month so we can die more is kinda... sadistic


However, resurgeming souls is an absurdly overpowered power. Unless it killed every member of the coven, that'd be awesome, or if it took 10p from everyone in the Coven, or if it took a coven of 13 and had a power cost too.


The cone idea is definitely a good one, for reasons stated by others. I'm not sure if it's enough, since it would require 60 links a day to fund it. I don't hunt astral enough to know how much time that actually takes out of each day. Still, that's certainly more reasonable than not having it, if you ask me.

Well, if cone could be used to partially cancel out the ridiculous power cost, then would the resulting power cost, plus the hassle of all that coning (as a grindwork obligation), be justification for the resurgem thing?

Not that much. That would be like, at most two hours on astral. So, two people could easily do that while bashing. I'd be more concerned about what Clise said, that Astrals precious bashing-balance might die.

agree with Shorlen saying it's not worth it even with these new changes. also agree with Ashteru and CLise since I'm planning to cone a ton of power if it gets raised and the nodes will likely go back to being drained since I know others like to hunt astral too. I like Asmodea's idea of the soul rez, but instead of taking 10 power from all coven users, just 10 power from the leader like a sacrifice and the leader could die too if there isn't a body and then mooncoven appoint someone else and it would pass to the next person who would need 10 power and 5 members to resurgem the next soul.

I like the blessing ideas, or at least the thought of getting new blessings. Another idea I was thinking of was that hte moonchild aura could grant those already with trans moon increased stats based on moonphase. during the waxing phases (crescent, first quarter, gibbous) it would also give +1 con (since waxing gives health and is more effective during this time) and then full moon would boost all stats +1
and the waning phases (gibbous, last quarter, crescent) could give +1 intelligence. And the New moon would give negate any bonuses during hte new moon.

The original boosts I had in mine was +1 intelligence during all phases except new moon. Full Moon would give +1 all other stats other than intelligence so that everything would be +1, Waxing phases would get +1 con and waning phases would get +1 charisma. (I was thinking along the lines of Night's skill penumbra which gives them a charisma boost and they have tons of faelings as it is)

with one of these stat increase ideas, I feel people would believe it to be more worth the costs. The any person coven but requires a body in front of you change I think does nothing and is still useless cause as Shiri and others have said, the corpse is often destroyed and by the time you bring the corpse back...immolation anyone? The first construct already gets rid of the power cost for it so that's really an unnecessary change. The 1 person coning is just what vix said, we're paying power to get power when we could just not get it and save all that power. The stat increases act like how Liches can boosted stats and normal liches don't suffer daytime penalties with teh dark crypt, making it worth it for everyone rather than just the non necromancy users.

Well, but Lich only gives boni to two stats...while you would give boni to each stat. And while you could argue that Lich also grants an exp-loss-negator, Moonaura adds a lot of damage protection. Giving all stats boni would be imho too much, but to one or two it wouldn't be too bad.

the moonchild aura doesn't give any damage protection at all. And I'm only asking for one or two stats increased. Only during the full moon would every stat increase since Moon is at it's strongest and during the New moon there would be no stat increase cause it's the weakest time. Those only last a day really and what happens then, people use rage and terror covens. with the first idea one stat con/int is increased depending on the phase. with the second idea intelligence was always increased since lots of people complain about moonbursts weak damage and it's based off intelligence. then during each phase something else con/cha would increase giving it only two stat increases.

EDIT: it's moondance aura that gives damage protection against magic. It's a low skill in moon. But Night has Garbs which gives just as much protection against magic plus also protection against poison.

I was under the impression that you wanted to add the stat-boni to people who had that Trans-Moon skill activated?

not necessarily activated, but as long as they have it since the coldaura and negated penalties provided by the Black Crypt are only given to those who already have the ability to lich. But yes I wanted to give a stat bonus or two to those with trans moon. like the crypt gives a cold aura to liches. And they don't lose any stats during daytime which can be seen as an overall stat bonus for half the day, making it two constant bonuses for them. And while drawdown gives damage reduction, it's attack is much weaker to the comparative nightkiss and nightkiss also drains health to the user.

Yeah, but Nightkiss has nothing to do with the boni of Archlich.
I just mean, see, Archlichs have two stats raised "permanently" by their construct. I do like the way you are thinking, with moonphases and all, but still, I don't like the idea of all constructs doing basically the same. (Lessening XP-loss and increasing stats), which you would like to do.
Alternatives could be something like changing the damage-type of moonburst or something like a Moon-flash that can transfix the target for 1 power or something like that.

psh but night will eventually get a construct. ANyways i don't care about the lessened xp loss. I think all the extra resurgeming things are useless. if a body is still there to be resurged then it can be immolated instead, it's actually safer to get the body to immolate than to coven and resurge cause people take bodies and offer them and such while gathering a coven takes time cause people are unresponsive often and yo uhave to join everyone and form it and such. I'm all for everyone getting lich cause the geos have no way to rez without a body or vitae and vitae on a raid just lets you die again while lich will at least give you a chance to get away.

I've heard that moonburst is never going to get upgraded or changed and that it was just based odn intelligence for damage. So that's why I came up with the stat increase cause it's really weak and with extra intelligence in another sense it is getting a small upgrade in damage.

yeah, if the body is still there. But allowing soul immolation would give you, basically, a better version of sacrifice. I'd call that a huge bonus already.

And it was also said that lich wouldn't get upgraded. Constructs change a lot, I have the impression.

oohhh I was wondering what you were talking about. I just said I liked the idea. I'd much rather just have the stat change added instead of the soul rez idea. I think a lot of people would like either one but no one seems to be really making an opinion. I personally think that giving a soul resurgem could be really powerful while a stat boost is much more moderate which is why I'd rather just add the stats idea based on moon phases and then finally raise this construct!

Not actually true at all, won't go into it at length here, but extensive testing proves otherwise.

And I probably have the strongest nightkiss around, and it gives me -60- health per hit, more for flavour than to actually provide any benefit.

ANNOUNCE NEWS #758
Date: 3/15/2007 at 17:09
From: Estarra, the Eternal
To : Everyone
Subj: Moon Altar Updates

There are a couple of updates to the Moon Altar:

- If the Moon Altar is raised and there is no body available for a
Resurgem, then ANY body may be used. In this instance, the coven needs
to have laid a body before them to perform this spell.

- If the Moon Altar is raised, a Moondancer can use the Cone skill to
raise a cone of power on his or her own (i.e., no coven is needed).


Penned by My hand on the 23rd of Tzarin, in the year 171 CE.


Does that include mobcorpses?

No. Charune told us. Thank God. Or they'd put it up and kill me just to resurgem me from a weevil.