Constructs and Colossi

by Estarra

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Aiakon2007-03-04 21:42:46
QUOTE(Fallen @ Mar 4 2007, 09:39 PM) 388097
I don't understand. The whole point of Magnagora is to try and spread the taint, correct? Undeath is considered the height of the Taint's touch to an extent, right? So..why, ICly, would people be upset that they had discovered a way to raise their entire civilization to higher heights within the taint, beyond anything that anyone outside of Magnagora can imagine?


I may be wholly wrong, but I thought tainted undeath was an entirely different thing to undeath through necromancy.
Ixion2007-03-04 21:44:39
QUOTE(Nariah @ Mar 4 2007, 04:25 PM) 388095
Since the Black Crypt is up now here's a list of my thoughts:

Pluses:
- finally a resurrection ability
- Archlich - no penalties and a nice ability (I wonder if it stacks when few people use it?) No it does not stack dry.gif

Minuses:
- liching novices nonono.gif
- giving away the ability that crowns Necromantic service for power upkeep (it hurts but people will shrug it off)

Ideas:
- show a difference between Archliches and Liches under race as well (give us more love!) pray.gif Agreed.. I stated the same above
- no liching novices! (somehow)
- please do not force Archliches to run to the Black Crypt to snatch the arch-lich seed - as it is, it forces us to run from wherever we died to the Crypt to put it up again (say mid-raid), which we won't do and thus later get someone to kill us/heartstop just to get the arch-lich seed back (-20 power!). One in a lifetime exposure to the Black Crypt should be enough to re-gain it since we are so damn good and study Necromancy in comparision with the common folk I'm pretty sure that trans necro people can just put it up again as normal
- Instead of a Lich change say... Demi-lich anyone? Resurrect, but since they did not sacrifice their life to the study of Undeath they cannot harness the Contagion and Chilling Touch powers.

Problems:
- Bugged it already but in case it is noticed here faster: the construction did not take the money or the spectres it was supposed to take.
Overall IC: depressed.gif
Overall OOC: dribble.gif

Druken2007-03-04 21:45:15
FYI-

Glomdoring doesn't boast the resurgem spell.
Unknown2007-03-04 21:47:44
QUOTE(Aiakon @ Mar 4 2007, 01:42 PM) 388099
I may be wholly wrong, but I thought tainted undeath was an entirely different thing to undeath through necromancy.


Nope. There was no Necromancy post-Urlach pre-Taint. When the Taint swept through the Basin, it turned people into undead, both way back in the day and more recently when Kethuru started breaking free. That is how Necromancy developed, through the first Ur'Guard in Magnagora. Before that, the Ur'Guard didn't practice necromancy, and the name was more just passed down from the original group that served with Urlach.

At least that's my understanding of it.

Edit: Though yes, i'm not saying Rowena is a Lich. There is a difference in the level of undeath that comes naturally with the Taint and that which can be developed. But they're still both derived from the Taint as far as I know.
Aiakon2007-03-04 22:10:21
QUOTE(Fallen @ Mar 4 2007, 09:47 PM) 388104
Nope. There was no Necromancy post-Urlach pre-Taint. When the Taint swept through the Basin, it turned people into undead, both way back in the day and more recently when Kethuru started breaking free. That is how Necromancy developed, through the first Ur'Guard in Magnagora. Before that, the Ur'Guard didn't practice necromancy, and the name was more just passed down from the original group that served with Urlach.

At least that's my understanding of it.

Edit: Though yes, i'm not saying Rowena is a Lich. There is a difference in the level of undeath that comes naturally with the Taint and that which can be developed. But they're still both derived from the Taint as far as I know.


Yes yes yes. I know these things.

But I would argue that necromancy is no more tainted than the Wyrd. It's not derived directly from the Taint, it is derived from Nil.. which happens to be tainted. It's not the same thing as the animation that took place when Ladantine loosed Kethuru. And yes, it's not the same thing as Urlach's undeath.
Unknown2007-03-04 22:21:05
QUOTE(shadow @ Mar 4 2007, 11:06 AM) 388018
Rezzing souls would be lovely.
I think my point got muddled somewhere in there. If we could resurgem souls with a moon coven, it's still only limited to stag/moon. About half the seren nowadays. So, maybe you and shorlen would want to turn it halfway into sacrifice(usable on souls of stag/moon). I'd want to turn it into halfway into resurrection. (usable on the whole nation)

Of course the pure OP version of it would just do both. Then again, we're still suck with needing 5 moon users, so there are really three things standing in it's way of being a OP 'i win' skill. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Druken @ Mar 4 2007, 04:45 PM) 388103
FYI-

Glomdoring doesn't boast the resurgem spell.
Expanding your crow rez skill to the whole commune has the same problems expanding our moon rez skill does, your crow skill needs other crow specific skills to work (the nest) our moon skill needs other moon specific skills to work (the coven). I may be waxing on about OP skills, but I, in truth, doubt the communes will see similar expansions of their rez skills, just because they are tied in with the rest of the skillsets. You can take that point even further and apply it to Transmigrate, which requires other ecology skills (the little bat/fox/ect companion).
Nariah2007-03-04 22:28:36
Why must we immediately dabble into "You're bringing OOC into IC" just because I have a different point of view. I clearly stated that OOC I am fine with it - I was not but I got over it, things change and sacrifices need be made.

On a different note, indeed it seems that current Necromancy spawns from Nil but point remains that undeath was orginally Urlach's concept and Taint just helped us discover a way to reach such godly powers. So one might say that we mastered Necromancy only through the Taint or, to be more exact, through the power that is resonating throughout Nil - not necessarily Taint.

Of course, IC I am pleased that I may unite with other Magnagorans in Undeath now (as I *have* stated above!) but I find it insulting they may do so without devoting their lives to it fully or much thought put into it. Undeath is the peak of life devoted to Necromancy and the Tainted ways. Cheers to Aiakon for an IC attempt to remedy that. cheer.gif
Unknown2007-03-04 22:34:55
QUOTE(Aiakon @ Mar 4 2007, 02:10 PM) 388114
Yes yes yes. I know these things.

But I would argue that necromancy is no more tainted than the Wyrd. It's not derived directly from the Taint, it is derived from Nil.. which happens to be tainted. It's not the same thing as the animation that took place when Ladantine loosed Kethuru. And yes, it's not the same thing as Urlach's undeath.


I would disagree. Of course there's no canonical proof either way, but in the case of the Wyrd, the taint was sucked out. That obviously isn't the case with Nil. The Demon Lords are tainted, Nil is tainted, the source of their powers is tainted.. to say that the powers they grant aren't tainted just doesn't make any sense to me. If all they know and all they are made of is tainted.. why would they be bestowing powers that are pure?
Aiakon2007-03-04 22:38:59
QUOTE(Fallen @ Mar 4 2007, 10:34 PM) 388122
in the case of the Wyrd, the taint was sucked out


That's what you think.
Unknown2007-03-04 22:42:53
QUOTE(Aiakon @ Mar 4 2007, 02:38 PM) 388123
That's what you think.


Whatever. It doesn't change the fact that Nil is 100% tainted. The Demon Lords are 100% tainted. The source of their powers are 100% tainted. So why would they bestow untainted powers when they support the taint and want to spread it?
Unknown2007-03-04 22:44:58
QUOTE(Aiakon @ Mar 4 2007, 04:38 PM) 388123
That's what you think.

I agree


The process of wyrding was like the inverse of pooping. A big worm ate lots of poo and crapped lots of vines. When you think about it, maybe Viravain showed us something that was prerecorded and it was just a big worm eating vines and crapping taint but on reverse... So all of you are entering the wyrdling from the anus. You are all raping the Guildhall!
Unknown2007-03-04 22:46:04
QUOTE(Fallen @ Mar 4 2007, 04:42 PM) 388125
Whatever. It doesn't change the fact that Nil is 100% tainted. The Demon Lords are 100% tainted. The source of their powers are 100% tainted. So why would they bestow untainted powers when they support the taint and want to spread it?

I've always believed that the taint was some kind of chemical and that necromancy is just the ethereal aspect of that chemical..
Xenthos2007-03-04 22:47:27
QUOTE(Aiakon @ Mar 4 2007, 05:38 PM) 388123
That's what you think.

Actually, no. That part is fact. The taint was sucked out of the Glomdoring. The part that IS in question is whether or not the taint was put *back* into the Glomdoring. happy.gif
Dvyrus2007-03-04 22:49:27
I can't believe you people are arguing this on the forums. It's supposed to ambigious on purpose.
Exeryte2007-03-04 22:57:59
QUOTE(Wesmin @ Mar 4 2007, 04:21 PM) 388117
Expanding your crow rez skill to the whole commune has the same problems expanding our moon rez skill does, your crow skill needs other crow specific skills to work (the nest) our moon skill needs other moon specific skills to work (the coven).

There is always that possibility of having a by-product of evoking Glomdoring's specific power to have a communal crow nest descend somewhere. As for the Serenwilde...they can just have cute little Moon-loving pixies be the public coven for automatic Resurgem, I guess. evil.gif
Unknown2007-03-04 23:03:04
QUOTE(Exeryte @ Mar 4 2007, 05:57 PM) 388132
There is always that possibility of having a by-product of evoking Glomdoring's specific power to have a communal crow nest descend somewhere. evil.gif
Oooh, I love it, wonderful idea! spoton.gif

The cute pixies are too snuggly for me, but it could be worked on.
Unknown2007-03-04 23:16:45
Serenwilde's could be something that sends out "The Hunt", which is the old belief that banshees along with the king of the fae would fly out at night and take the souls of those they encountered in some situations, but it wasn't always so negative, as its remnant is Santa Claus and his reindeer. Anyway, a group of banshees could fly out, and bring the soul back to the ethereal plane, bringing the person back to life.

The person has to go to whatever the construct is and take on the mark of the stag, or something, which marks their soul as 'part of the hunt'. 10 power. Or something like that. You guys can figure out how to balance it out.
Unknown2007-03-04 23:19:57
*shrug* I just hope Celest and the others get something decent like Magnagora did. We need to be balanced!
Unknown2007-03-04 23:22:14
QUOTE(Guardian_Shiro @ Mar 4 2007, 03:19 PM) 388137
*Shrug* I just hope Celest gets trueheal for every citizen and something decent for those who have already have it.


Trueheal > Lich
Unknown2007-03-04 23:23:42
QUOTE(Fallen @ Mar 4 2007, 06:22 PM) 388138
Trueheal > Lich


Want me to make a poll for every celestian who has trueheal and see what they think? odds are, they won't agree with that.