Politopia - WTF are you? (politically)

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Veonira2007-02-13 13:46:57
SW- You would feel most at home in the Southwest region You advocate a large degree of personal freedom and a large degree of government control over the economy. Your neighbors include such folks as Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader, Hillary Clinton, and Zack de la Rocha of Rage Against the Machine, and may refer to themselves as "liberals," "left-wing liberals," "civil libertarians," "democratic socialists," "egalitarians," or "anarcho-socialists."

GAAHHHHHHHHHHH HILLARY CLINTON NOOOOOO.
Ildaudid2007-02-13 15:19:38
QUOTE(Iridiel @ Feb 13 2007, 06:14 AM) 382862
Am I alone as southerner?
"South-You are a Southerner-an egalitarian-which means that you advocate an increased role for the government in the economic realm. You are more or less pleased the government's role in the personal realm."


Because you live in a country that has a decent medical system, a great pharmacy system, Paying 2 Euros for a pack of 30 pills is a beautiful thing. And your country is pretty relaxed on most issues. When I lived there, I absolutely loved it. The only major issues at that time was ETA, and Moros.

That is why I am guessing you ended up South. I could be totally wrong though. halo.gif
Reiha2007-02-13 16:57:47
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South-You are a Southerner-an egalitarian-which means that you advocate an increased role for the government in the economic realm. You are more or less pleased the government's role in the personal realm.


Hrm.... no?
Korben2007-02-13 17:10:09
Centerville for me, but like all other online political quizzes I've seen, it's US-centric. Which means some of the questions are outside my specific reality (for example, we have one of the world's highest tax loads coupled with one of the most uneven income distributions - this means I and any of my sane countrymen want less taxes but are against any form of flat tax - an option which the quiz did not offer).
Unknown2007-02-13 18:07:36
Apparently I belong to the Centerville (albeit with leanings to the west).

The test seems to be US-biased, and I think it misinterpreted my answers. Because if it tries to insinuate that I am content with the way MY country is being run, then I have only one thing to say:

roflmao.gif
Unknown2007-02-13 20:09:28
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Feb 13 2007, 09:19 AM) 382912
Because you live in a country that has a decent medical system, a great pharmacy system, Paying 2 Euros for a pack of 30 pills is a beautiful thing. And your country is pretty relaxed on most issues. When I lived there, I absolutely loved it. The only major issues at that time was ETA, and Moros.

That is why I am guessing you ended up South. I could be totally wrong though. halo.gif

I love the name of my city... MATAmoros freaked.gif freaked.gif freaked.gif
Verithrax2007-02-13 21:31:56
This quiz is a lot less US-centric and quite possibly more accurate.
Ildaudid2007-02-13 21:59:30
QUOTE(Corinthian @ Feb 13 2007, 03:09 PM) 382964
I love the name of my city... MATAmoros freaked.gif freaked.gif freaked.gif


Mate a los Moros!

Haha! Nice city name, poor moros! Sounds like G. Dubya named your town himself. (insert tounge smiley without the catholic pope's hat)
Daganev2007-02-14 00:32:33
liberal-leaning capitalist-leaning republican

Liberal-Leaning - Those moving in the direction of individual autonomy, critical of government, opposed to sin taxes and moral codes fall in this area. A majority of Americans fall here or in the moderate section.

Capitalist-Leaning - Many Republicans and some Democrats fall here, and support balanced budgets, tax reform, free trade agreements, estate tax repeal, and spend more time talking about the problems of small business than raising the minimum wage. They like to push middle class tax cuts and associate economic success with production, wealth, and especially with high rates of consumerism and ownership.

Republican - This includes a large bulk of modern-day American politicians, whether Republican or Democratic. This includes values of basic racial equality but not necessarily affirmative action. It's a strong rejection of racism and a strong embrace of democracy, but not into the social levelling or hyper-secularism of the democrat level.

I'm not sure I would agree with those things. For example I would not consider economic success as a high rate of consumerism, but I would with a high rate of ownership. The difference being, that I think you should own what you have, but I don't at all think that you need to have lots of things, or even the best of things. Also, I'm not such a big fan of repealing the estate tax, as there are lots of ways around it. Also, I'm not opposed to sin taxes at all. But based on the other options, these were the most fitting.
Daganev2007-02-14 00:33:28
Democrat - This includes some left and center-left Western parties. The French Communists and Socialists or in the US the Progressive Caucus or left wing of the Democrats would likely fit in this label. The French policy of laicite, dating back to the French Revolution, is the perfect embodiment of the democrat rating. Laicite is very secular, even to the point of being anti-clerical, and is the reason God is a taboo subject in the realm of politics, and why religious items are banned from student wardrobes in schools. The democrats of this scale go beyond legal equality and use the force of government and law to secure social equality - through affirmative action, quotas, hiring reforms, special ethnic apportionments in legislatures, and other policies aimed to correct even indrect discrimination. The rating 'democrat' is NOT the same thing as a US Democratic party member.


Just so people are aware of what that quiz means by democrat and republican.
Verithrax2007-02-14 02:23:15
democratic capitalist-leaning libertarian

Democrat - This includes some left and center-left Western parties. The French Communists and Socialists or in the US the Progressive Caucus or left wing of the Democrats would likely fit in this label. The French policy of laicite, dating back to the French Revolution, is the perfect embodiment of the democrat rating. Laicite is very secular, even to the point of being anti-clerical, and is the reason God is a taboo subject in the realm of politics, and why religious items are banned from student wardrobes in schools. The democrats of this scale go beyond legal equality and use the force of government and law to secure social equality - through affirmative action, quotas, hiring reforms, special ethnic apportionments in legislatures, and other policies aimed to correct even indrect discrimination. The rating 'democrat' is NOT the same thing as a US Democratic party member.

Libertarian - Many people in the US Libertarian Party are minor heretics or simply adhere to certain social controls while remaining otherwise nearly anarchical. These people, in addition to a number of especially independent Democrats and Republicans, fit into the libertarian category. They do not seek the philosophical uber-consistency of the anarchists, but they propose most or nearly all of the same ideas and policies. Someone in the ACLU or the Republican Liberty Caucus would likely fall here.

Capitalist-Leaning - Many Republicans and some Democrats fall here, and support balanced budgets, tax reform, free trade agreements, estate tax repeal, and spend more time talking about the problems of small business than raising the minimum wage. They like to push middle class tax cuts and associate economic success with production, wealth, and especially with high rates of consumerism and ownership.

Not too inaccurate, actually.
Unknown2007-02-15 02:12:03
Centerville-You would feel most at home in Centerville, which means that you are more or less pleased the status quo-you think the US government has just about the right amount of control over your economic and personal decisions. Your neighbors include democratic and republican party leaders and others who call themselves "moderates" and "centrists."


I didn't really expect that response, I lean more toward being a Democrat, though I don't really care about politics, so I suppose I would be a Center-Democrat? suspicious.gif
Iridiel2007-02-15 12:34:28
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Feb 13 2007, 10:59 PM) 382987
Mate a los Moros!

Haha! Nice city name, poor moros! Sounds like G. Dubya named your town himself. (insert tounge smiley without the catholic pope's hat)


It probably comes from the middle ages when christians and arabs were at war with each other. It's also an existing surname (probably also given in the middle age to some family in the wars) who might fund or be influencial on your city when it started. Now, I want to make you all aware that "moro" is a very despective term used to aglutinate people of north african origin usually applied to poor disfavored people (a common joke is that a rich moro is an arab, same as a rich crazy man is an excentric). I would suggest you don't use it, specially since it might offend people (rightfully). If you use the term "Matamoros" as anything more than a landmark you'll be actually cheering the slaughtering of people.

The problems with them come from having a lot of poor people coming from poor countries in an illegal way. It's more of an economic problem than a "race" or cultural problem. I have yet to see anybody claiming that rich arabs from Arabia Saudi are moros or trouble.

About our social system, yeah, it's great. We pay for it with taxes though, our army receives way less money from people's taxes than USA for example, because we prefer to use the taxes money for social benefits (healthcare, retirement pensions). At least we vote the people who are of that tendency. Now we need to see how far the model is sustainable, but so far it's doing quite ok. And all those migrants kids that come now or are born now (they have much bigger families than then standar spaniard does) will work, pay taxes and help keeping it up when our native population is ooooold and expensive to keep alive healthy wise smile.gif


Korben2007-02-15 13:50:53
I've been to Spain recently, and I agree with much in the above post. Everyone who is willing to work has access to a job which pays enough for them to feed, house and clothe themselves. And the government will teach immigrants the language and a trade for free. You can't walk past three storefronts without seeing a 'we are hiring' sign.

Are there people living on the street there, or asking for change in the subway ? Yes, but I saw less of that in 20 days there (and I wasn't in some fancy 5 star hotel, I rented a room in downtown Madrid) than I see in one hour in my own third world country.
Korben2007-02-15 13:51:19
Double post. Stupid forums.
Iridiel2007-02-15 14:01:33
QUOTE(Korben @ Feb 15 2007, 02:51 PM) 383553
Are there people living on the street there, or asking for change in the subway ? Yes, but I saw less of that in 20 days there (and I wasn't in some fancy 5 star hotel, I rented a room in downtown Madrid) than I see in one hour in my own third world country.


Spain isn't third world, as far as I know. We're supposed to be quite firmly in the first world smile.gif About begging we have a lot of mafias from ethnias of a certain east europe country that make a living out of begging with little babies, petty scams on the street and stealing from tourists and anybody not wary of them. The state cannot do anything because this people reject the social benefits (as that would imply that they would have to be identified, and WORK and live on a fixed place) as against their traditional lifestyle. They also incidentally give a horrible bad reputation to people from said country who don't deserve it at all sad.gif
Korben2007-02-15 14:26:18
I didn't say Spain was third world. My country (Brazil) is.
Callia2007-02-15 16:46:06
centerville for the win!
Nerra2007-02-15 21:52:59
Centre, according to the test, but really I'm a bit more right winged
Shryke2007-02-17 01:39:55
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Feb 12 2007, 08:33 PM) 382801
edit - GO GO socialist medical system in the US! GO GO making pharmecutical companies not charge 100x the cost of making a simple pill, and keeping a patent on it for so long that you have to pay that much for it.!! (insert non religious smile)


Seems pretty shortsighted to not take into account the VAST cost of research which their patent can only cover for so long. There would be little no advancement in medical science without the profit margin they have currently. My personal opinion is that it's the government's responsibility to insure our good health as citizens, which is why I believe in an institutionalized governmental medical program. It would help to relieve the burden on US companies. It would result in more job oppertunities for a rise in taxes, which is acceptable IMO.

Don't blame the pharmecutical companies though! They're not ALL evil. What's evil is when they rip off african countriess by selling expired meds at inflated prices.

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QUOTE(Iridiel @ Feb 15 2007, 06:01 AM) 383555
Spain isn't third world, as far as I know. We're supposed to be quite firmly in the first world smile.gif About begging we have a lot of mafias from ethnias of a certain east europe country that make a living out of begging with little babies, petty scams on the street and stealing from tourists and anybody not wary of them. The state cannot do anything because this people reject the social benefits (as that would imply that they would have to be identified, and WORK and live on a fixed place) as against their traditional lifestyle. They also incidentally give a horrible bad reputation to people from said country who don't deserve it at all sad.gif


Spain is an enigma. I travel there annually, and I have to say, it has a bit of both worlds (tongue.gif) Some people have a very european lifestyle, especially the glitzy Barcelona scene. But if you travel inland much, there are tons of places that shout 3rd world. It's pretty interesting. I think they just don't spend enough money on public projects in rural areas. The cities are tidy, but the country is pretty.. meh. (Beutiful, but not especially settled)

It's a pretty interesting subject, I have mixed feelings about both descriptions.. (Hell, they smoke so much they must be ignorant! {don't take that seriously of course!})