Unknown2007-03-23 22:29:42
Ok, I just made a little geocities webpage to host it. I guess sourceforge isn't really necessary yeah.
Download mapper with my vaunted cow fix here.
Download mapper with my vaunted cow fix here.
Unknown2007-03-24 00:21:10
I'm pretty sure that SourceForge doesn't make you download anything to use it. You just need a Windows SSH client (like PuTTY) and an FTP client. I've used SourceForge for about four years, as a project admin/coder. It takes a little bit of setup to get things working, but it's pretty easy from there.
Unknown2007-03-24 02:02:12
QUOTE(Zarquan @ Mar 24 2007, 12:21 AM) 392900
I'm pretty sure that SourceForge doesn't make you download anything to use it. You just need a Windows SSH client (like PuTTY) and an FTP client. I've used SourceForge for about four years, as a project admin/coder. It takes a little bit of setup to get things working, but it's pretty easy from there.
I'd have to download those =P Not going to try and get putty to work on vista at this point.
Shamarah2007-03-24 02:28:42
QUOTE(Zarquan @ Mar 23 2007, 11:44 AM) 392773
Does this map include all the correct terrain types for rooms? I'm a bit of a stickler for terrains, being an herbalist and just liking my maps to have all the pretty colors.
Most of them, though not all as druid foresting actually changes the terrain to forest/wyrdforest and IMap doesn't have any feature for changing terrains other than survey without actually going into the file.
QUOTE(Zarquan @ Mar 23 2007, 11:44 AM) 392773
Do special exits work well when needed? I know they're possible in this mapper, but they can be a bit tricky to get linked both ways properly sometimes.
Do you have messages for the teleport abilities (cubix, teleport nexus, etc) setup in the map file?
Do you have messages for the teleport abilities (cubix, teleport nexus, etc) setup in the map file?
Yes, and yes (actually I don't think I have cubix implemented since I don't own one but if you send me the message I can easily add it for you).
mhume2007-03-26 21:44:45
Due to the fact that the IMAP file is generated as a data storage unit for said program, it is considered to be under the program's license. Upon using and editing the software MudBot: Module IMapper you are consenting to follow the license supplied with the said software. To sell this file, you must abide by the terms set within the license, while making the source code for said file freely available.
Permission of the owner of said program does not constitute an exception to the GNU GPL.
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Shamarah2007-03-26 22:59:15
It actually doesn't fall under the GPL. Here's the exact message Whyte sent me, since you guys apparently just aren't going to let this drop:
And, while I discourage people passing around the map if they haven't bought it from me as it's taking my work, I don't prohibit it (it's not as though I could stop you from doing it anyhow).
QUOTE("Whyte")
You can sell it, with the same restrictions on IMTS, or IMTS-derived content. You're using IMTS-generated content, which doesn't fall under GPL, so this is basically what I'd want... and not something you HAVE to do.
That is, sell it, but don't deny them the freedom to start selling it on their own, or ANY kind of freedom for that matter.
That is, sell it, but don't deny them the freedom to start selling it on their own, or ANY kind of freedom for that matter.
And, while I discourage people passing around the map if they haven't bought it from me as it's taking my work, I don't prohibit it (it's not as though I could stop you from doing it anyhow).
Unknown2007-03-26 23:01:26
QUOTE(Mhume @ Mar 26 2007, 04:44 PM) 393907
Due to the fact that the IMAP file is generated as a data storage unit for said program, it is considered to be under the program's license. Upon using and editing the software MudBot: Module IMapper you are consenting to follow the license supplied with the said software. To sell this file, you must abide by the terms set within the license, while making the source code for said file freely available.
Permission of the owner of said program does not constitute an exception to the GNU GPL.
Permission of the owner of said program does not constitute an exception to the GNU GPL.
It's not necessarily a data storage unit. The map could be considered a separate product, using the IMap program as the interface to interact with the map. In this case, charging for the map is perfectly legal.
It doesn't matter much anyway. Let's say for the sake of argument that it's a violation of the lisence. However, the owner and distributor of the program gives permission.
Who are you going to complain to, and what will they do about it? Only Whyte really has any right to complain, and he gives his permission, so further complaints by anyone else don't really get anywhere.
Unknown2007-03-28 14:08:18
QUOTE(Guest @ Mar 23 2007, 09:47 PM) 392851
Try that out and you will see you're wrong. The rooms that make up the highways are too similar for just looking after you bump into a cow to update your location correctly after it gets lost. That said, my sourceforge project was approved, so I've already loaded the mapper with the cow fix. If someone really wants to pay 20 credits for Shamarah's map, eh, I can't stop them. But you should at least use a version of mudbot that won't panic in the event of cow tipping.
On a side note, I didn't know sourceforge required unix shell uploading. Anyone have suggestions on where I can host my stuff?
On a side note, I didn't know sourceforge required unix shell uploading. Anyone have suggestions on where I can host my stuff?
My triggers for it work perfectly, I'd go into how to track it, but it is fairly moot.
As for the lawyer above, if you want to go for technicalities, shamarah is charging credits for his time spent, not the file. Now it's legal even in your example, whee.
Desitrus2007-03-28 14:08:56
QUOTE(Guest @ Mar 28 2007, 09:08 AM) 394277
My triggers for it work perfectly, I'd go into how to track it, but it is fairly moot.
As for the lawyer above, if you want to go for technicalities, shamarah is charging credits for his time spent, not the file. Now it's legal even in your example, whee.
As for the lawyer above, if you want to go for technicalities, shamarah is charging credits for his time spent, not the file. Now it's legal even in your example, whee.
Me, etc.
Unknown2007-03-28 17:14:18
Could you post the output of MAP STATUS and AREA LIST for us, Shamarah?
Shamarah2007-03-31 14:36:36
CODE
Rooms: 6519, using 2868360 bytes of memory.
Areas: 100, of which fully mapped: 80.
Room structure size: 440 bytes.
Hash table size: 512 chains.
Map size, x: 14 y: 10.
Room title color: brown, code length 5.
(*) Glomdoring Forest.
(*) Avechna's Teeth.                      (*) Southern Mountains.
(*) Gloriana River.                      (*) Great Southern Highway.
(*) Old Imperial Road.                    (l) Capital City of the Righteous Principality of New Celest.
(l) Inner Sea.                            (*) Oleanvir Valley.
(l) Alabaster Road.                      (*) Ackleberry Highway.
(l) Avechna's Peak.                      (*) Newton Caverns.
(*) Transcendental Fulcrux.              (*) Tolborolla Valley.
(*) Village of Delport.                  (l) Estengare River.
(l) Razine Mountain Range.                (*) Skarch Desert.
(*) Village of Dairuchi.                  (*) Dracnari Nomad Camp.
(*) Lucidian Mesa Compound.              (*) Temple of Elostian.
(*) Tosha Monastery.                      (*) Northern Mountains.
(*) Emerald Road.                        (*) Village of Southgard.
(*) Presidio of the Damned.              (*) Grey Moors.
(*) Village of Paavik.                    (*) Temple of Terentia.
(l) Blasted Land.                        (*) Arysian Isles.
(l) Bondero Bay.                          (l) Balach Swamp.
(l) Sea of Despair.                      (*) Verasavir Valley.
(*) Toronada River.                      (l) Toronada tidal flats.
(*) Shallach River.                      (*) Ruins of Shallach.
(*) Faethorn Realm.                      (*) Manifestation of the Master Ravenwood Tree.
(*) Temple of Viravain.                  (*) an aether manse.
(*) an aether ship.                      (*) Holy Land.
(*) Eternal Light.                        (x) Mystic River.
(*) Lake of Dreams.                      (l) Great Starry Sea.
(*) Catacombs of Corpus Clay.            (l) Mountains of Madness.
(l) Temple of Lord Hajamin.              (*) Spectre Isle.
(*) Temple of Raezon.                    (*) Astrosphere of Cancer.
(*) Astrosphere of Scorpio.              (*) Astrosphere of Leo.
(*) Astrosphere of Aries.                (l) Astrosphere of Sagittarius.
(*) Astrosphere of Virgo.                (*) Astrosphere of Aquarius.
(*) Astrosphere of Pisces.                (*) Astrosphere of Gemini.
(*) Astrosphere of Libra.                (*) Astrosphere of Taurus.
(x) Astrosphere of Capricorn.            (*) Land of the Demon Lords.
(*) Snow Valley.                          (*) Arthar'rt Observatory.
(*) Mount Zoaka.                          (*) Capital City of the Mighty Dominion of Magnagora.
(*) Village of Acknor.                    (*) Village of Angkrag.
(*) Village of Stewartsville.            (*) Village of Shanthmark.
(*) Village of Estelbar.                  (*) Village of Rockholm.
(*) Serenwilde Forest.                    (*) Carai Caroo.
(*) Manifestation of the Pool of Stars.  (l) Catacombs of the Dead.
(*) Manifestation of the Moonhart Mother Tree. (*) Land of Lolliprin.
(*) Caverns of Smoke Mountain.            (*) Top of Smoke Mountain.
(l) Nosfydra, the Heart of the Megalith.  (l) Dramube Triangle.
(*) Frosticia.                            (*) Facility.
(*) Cankermore Battlegrounds.            (*) Crumkindivia.
(*) Shadowvale Arena.                    (*) Klangratch Tourny Fields.
(*) Pearl of the Amberle.                (*) Shallamurine Cathedral.
(*) Emperor's Glory.                      (*) Glade of the Sleeping Goddess.
(*) Manifestation of Mother Moon.
Some of them show up as "l" or "x" because they don't really fit together in a euclidian manner (ie. weird looping exits), but they're all fully mapped except for the seas, the Catacombs (because I have no idea how to get around the middle level), and Xion (because I don't know where it is).
If you know of any areas that aren't listed, let me know and I'll add 'em.
Shamarah2007-05-13 13:21:35
The mapper has been updated with the ENTIRE UNDERVAULT!
I've sent out the update as a free update to all my customers. If you're interested in the map, now is a better time than ever to buy! Never get lost in the Undervault again, and never run around trying to figure out where on earth the Prison is again!
I've sent out the update as a free update to all my customers. If you're interested in the map, now is a better time than ever to buy! Never get lost in the Undervault again, and never run around trying to figure out where on earth the Prison is again!
Razenth2007-05-14 05:50:36
Emperor's Glory? What's that? And ask Exeryte to take you to Xion, if you haven't been yet.
Ildaudid2007-05-14 07:15:01
Shammy talk to me later and make sure its all set up and good to go. I will need a refresher how to use it but now is the time I will finally need it 
Shamarah2007-05-14 10:14:03
Emperor's Glory is Ladantine's ship.
Unknown2007-05-14 12:56:32
QUOTE(Shamarah @ May 13 2007, 08:21 AM) 406985
The mapper has been updated with the ENTIRE UNDERVAULT!
I've sent out the update as a free update to all my customers. If you're interested in the map, now is a better time than ever to buy! Never get lost in the Undervault again, and never run around trying to figure out where on earth the Prison is again!
I've sent out the update as a free update to all my customers. If you're interested in the map, now is a better time than ever to buy! Never get lost in the Undervault again, and never run around trying to figure out where on earth the Prison is again!
You are a mapping monster. How did you get that done so quickly, stay up all night?
Shamarah2007-05-15 10:18:38
QUOTE(mitbulls @ May 14 2007, 08:56 AM) 407360
You are a mapping monster. How did you get that done so quickly, stay up all night?
The area just happened to work surprisingly well with IMap, mostly because it's largely just tunnels with relatively few intersections.
Shamarah2007-06-01 20:57:11
Mapper updated with Hifarae Hills! Current customers, check your email for the update.
vorld2007-06-02 22:13:43
does it work with MUSH?
Edit: nevermind
Edit2: do Ihave to download something for it to work?
Edit: nevermind
Edit2: do Ihave to download something for it to work?
Shamarah2007-06-03 03:50:54
Yes, but it's simple to install and I can walk you through it.
