Yay for actually posting something longer than a sentence. And Yay for someone posting something game specific for the first time in over a day.

I'll make an actual response to this later today, since I'm getting tired and my vision is starting to blur...

Thank god it was the forums that were down, not this router being screwy.

Anyway, I'm going to UNVOTE: Requiem and VOTE: Mirk because he doesn't seem to have been paying much attention to the game, judging from some of the points he's made, and given that I'm not sure who is and isn't scum right now, getting rid of someone who might hold things back is gonna be my tactic. Sorry, Mirk.

Ok, so you've posted more than I first thought you had, but your posts didn't really leave that much of an impression on me.

Also, I left out the first two of your posts since they were opening posts, and most were somewhat pointless, and I ran out of alloted quote boxes.


These two were slight defenses of someone else, which didn't really reveal anything about you.



General indecisiveness, still reveals little about yourself. Now what’s really interesting is what happens between this post, and the post after it: Virtually nothing that should affect your choice. Virivain was replaced. Okin confirms that he’s still playing, Iridiel says she’s keeping Viravain’s votes, and Ytraelux makes a small summary. The other two posts were by Requiem and Othero, both of which deal with you. Requiem comments that your not voting and putting pressure on anyone helps scum to win. Othero brings up how not voting is generally suspicious, which leads to your post below.

Blamo, your indecisiveness is magically gone, due to what seems to me to be popular opinion, and you end up vehemently voting for Verithrax.

This post basically just restates one of your points from your previous post. No new real content. So out of your first 5 (7 if you if you count the first two that I omitted) posts for day 1, only one or two seemed to have any real significance.

Just to throw in my two cents, until this point I was fairly willing to concede that even if Mirk wasn't scum that it would be reasonable to lynch him just for being generally vapid. However his most recent post does prove that he's at least paying attention.

On the other hand, we have a confirmed mafia member. Can we please kill it? Or at least acknowledge that I said something.

Popular opinion? I was the first vote on Verithrax (unless Quidgy screwed his vote count). Everyone else piled on *after* I did.

And as to nothing happening - why yes, something did. It is called rereading the thread. It is amazing what can appear after you do that.

That being said, I am glad this game is starting to get a bit of meat to it - I hate the first day or so where things are just completely random.

Unvote: Mirk, Vote: Diamondais. Requiem says that (s)he is scum, and since he is town, thats good enough for me at the moment.

@Requiem - you still could have claimed that you had reason to believe that Verithrax was town. With him claiming cop as well, that would have placed you in peoples minds as some sort of self-watcher role or masonry where the mafia would have been unlikely to go after you that night.

Again, I'm really not whom Requiem says I am. Requiem seems to get his information through gossip (if I understood that correctly). My only reason to put my vote on Requiem was to get him to talk on why he was voting for me. The gossip is off, I do not want direct harm to come to the town.

My own reasons to protect the town is that I just feel it's best to, though I'm sure I've come across and will come across being charitable to the wrong person. And Requiem, if you're so certain of who and what I am, perhaps you could say my name and what I'm known for?

@Diamondais: I am curious as to why you haven't tried to claim a role other than Adrian Brody. VOTE: DIAMONDAIS perhaps it's time for you to tell us all who you "really" are?

Gossip may not always be true, but that doesn't need to mean it's always a lie there may be some truth in what we are being told.

I've said over and over I am not any of the people Requiem said, I even said I wasn't related to the movie industry at all.

However, since you're all willing to believe I am scum here it is.

I am Bono of U2, I like being charitable and defending the rights of others, shrewd business man. Each night, I can choose to protect the name of someone if I feel they are being wronged. How do I win? I win when the town is no longer terrorised by evil.

Unvote: Diamondais

Don't lynch me right away. I'm making sure a ninja-lynch doesn't happen, and I need to analyse something. If you still feel it's necessary to kill me after my explanation then feel free to do so.

I would dearly love to know as well Requiem.

Oops, should've added this is my last post but I'm falling asleep and forgot.

I'd prefer we didn't kill off Requiem before an explenation can be told.

I guess it's now up to who we believe, was requiem right and Diamondais is actually scum. Or could he have spun a nice tale to shift the focus away from him and onto an innocent?

I think I'll UNVOTE: DIAMONDAIS for now but I'm still suspicious of both of you

To begin with, I'm actually Jewel. Although I sold my soul to Britney's stylized and over-produced pop, I'm still essentially a good person. I'm a basic townie with no powers at all. Except being a manipulative bitch. But that could just be me.

I had no real way to confirm that Verithrax was with the town, except that in a largely subconscious way--based on my past interactions with Verithrax--I believed him. So I gambled on my hunch and won. I actually really had intended to try to save him but I was finishing schoolwork and by the time I came back Daganev had killed him already. (As an aside, I understand that this was mostly the same eagerness to finish the first day shared by both Verithrax and myself, so I would recommend not using that against him.)

I used my political capital to set up a situation where people had an extremely ready scapegoat. Someone flagged as scum, by someone who had a least some publicly established credibility. It was also crucial that the explanation have enough holes in it that a person voting for Diamondais couldn't simply use me as the reason, but would have to take some responsibility to the vote. This was to hopefully reduce the likelihood that people would readily bandwagon, leading to an uncontrolled lynch.

The reason I wanted to do this was to draw out the true potential scum. I figured if it seemed likely that they could easily lynch an innocent victim, with me to take the fall, then they would jump all over themselves to lynch. I picked Diamondais because I've played a few games with her before and she tends to be counter-productive to my manipulations, but not in a good way. So if something happened and my target got killed anyway I personally wouldn't mind the loss of that playing style.

These are the people that voted for Diamondais after I voted for her, and what I think about it. Since I just gashed my hand on a teapot last night, and I'm on vicodin, ketopephras, and seroquel so I'm a bit out of it. But another thing you guys might to want to do is analyze the other people who actively didn't vote for her.


To me, this seems pretty suspicious. She basically takes what I said at face value, ignoring the holes in the concept and is basically what I was expecting from from novice scum in response to my experiment.



This is by far the scummiest response. Basically just an "I agree" vote, which was against exactly what I predicted from inexperienced scum when faced with such a ripe victim.


Might possibly be more intermediate or advanced scum. I'm kinda dozing off, so I need to wrap this up. I'll come back to it if I survive though. For now I'd go with Not Scummy.



This actually seems suspicious to me too. Not nearly as much as the other two though.

Vote: Okin

If there's anything else I can clarify, let me know. If you feel obligated to kill me, I'll understand I'd just rather you didn't.

Unvote: Diamondais

Wow, I must really suck at this game. OK, Verithrax was about to die. requiem jumps in and attempts to sacrifice himself to protect Verithrax. He fails, Verithrax dies, we find out Verithrax was a townie cop. Bam, requiem gets credibility.

I thought long and hard about it and, if requiem was a townie and KNEW Verithrax was townie, he'd do exactly what he did. If requiem was a townie and had no idea what Verithrax was, what was to stop Verithrax dying, everyone finding out he's mafia, and requiem being subsequently lynched?

So requiem, with his newfound silver-plated credibility, points his finger at Diamondais. Like a fool, I believe him. Can I just ask: where are the holes in the logic? You acted like you believed something, put yourself on the line on the basis of that belief, and you were verified.

More of a Severe ninja though also a bit of a ponder on the fact that you now have confirmed that you lied to the entire town some may decide to believe you, some may not.

However my vote was to add a bit of preasure to get Diamondais to roleclaim and I felt her word is more believable with that preassure rather than someone who did so with just half the votes required to lynch. As such I believe Diamondais more than you, sorry but that's just the way it is

@Saran: You twice mention something about my being believed. The first time is in the conext of me lying to the town. While I was lying to the town, people believed me. I could have easily gotten Diamondais lynched, provided I didn't mind being lynched the next day. If that was actually my goal, then why on earth would I ruin that with for huge spiel about how I was really lying. The only logical reason for doing what I did is if I was telling the truth.

Furthermore, you say that you believe Diamondais more than you believe me, because she had more pressure than I did. This makes no sense at all. I had a specific reason to my roleclaim: I needed to be able to make a legitimate claim to knowledge that I otherwise wouldn't have. That's every bit as compelling a reason to tell people what role you play as almost being lynched. Plus, you make it seem as though you're choosing Dia's side of events over mine, but we're no longer disagreeing (unless I'm missing something?). I can't actually confirm that Dia is who she says she is, but it seems reasonable enough for me. I already stopped voting for her, and then made it clear that I had picked Dia at random, and that I had no valid reason to suspect her. (And just to nitpick, people are probably more likely to be lying when under the pressure of a potential lynch, than they would be if they revealed of their own volition.)

@Okin:

That's pretty much all you would have had to have said for me to consider you as having taken more than a cursory glance at the argument. The way I see it, the scum wouldn't really care who was being lynched, as long as it wasn't one of them. So why bother reading the dialogue? The fact that you took the time to think about it goes a long way in my mind towards proving that you have a stake in this, which probably means your not scum.


@The town at large: It's true I did lie, but that's the point of the game. It's true I set up an innocent victim to get lynched, but nothing happened to her and now we have some more "meat" to go on. Games on these forums tend to die in the second or third day mostly due to lack of anything interesting hapenning. I'm just trying to provide something of interest to spark discussion. If nothing else, I should get a little credit for that.

if I didn't know better, I'd say requieum is scum, but I know he isn't.

My vote is still firmly on mirk.

Dia, if you are what you say you are, who did you protect at night? I find it strange that the scum would vote for linwe, since that means either all the scums or noobs or there is a serial killer or some such thing.

I wasn't completely certain on Linwe and didn't want to see her taken out without receiving further information, so I chose to watch over her.

(Okay, serious off to bed after this. This is the second time!)

In hopes that she'd remain alive and active enough to speak out. I'd also hoped to keep her safe and her name clean until we were certain.